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A new era of SP farming: 5-6 mil SP for the price of 1 month.
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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2016-11-12 21:38:05 UTC
Winter Archipelago wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Winter Archipelago wrote:
As it currently stands on SISI, it's possible for an Omega character to extract skills from the Alpha character skillset.


Already confirmed this won't be possible on TQ. Sorry you wasted time on that essay.

I'll take your word for it just as soon as you provide some links to the information that shows that.


Good.

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Q: Can Alpha clones inject and extract skills?

A: You can Inject skills regardless of your clone state. Currently, we are planning to require Omega state for skill extraction and also not allow the extraction of skills in the Alpha set.


https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/introducing-clone-states-and-the-future-of-access-to-eve-online/

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Skill Extraction will be allowed for Alphas. This is another one of those areas where we can see potential issues down the line with SP farming, but we also really want returning players to have the option to extract old skills if they like. This could be a good path for many returners to go Omega, or just fund for some startup ships and modules. Of course, we won’t allow Alphas to extract skills in the Alpha set, but we may need even further restrictions later. It’s an easy one for us to keep an eye on so we will just update later with changes if they are needed.


https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/clone-states-post-csm-summit-roundup/

Seriously, how hard was it to look this up yourself?

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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#22 - 2016-11-12 21:43:23 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
I didn't say anything about being able to pay for them, the argument here on a micro level is the time it takes.

But if we are talking about macro and scalability (which is when your argument actually matters), it doesn't take long before capital also becomes a factor as well as time.

The time it takes after the initial set-up is 20-30 minutes every 5 months (or monthly, if you set up 5 accounts to cycle one a month, or however often you want to run them).

Yes, there's going to be more time required during the initial set-up phases. Just as there is for every other form of passive income in the game. Saying "it'll take time to set up" is disingenuous, because everything takes time to set up.

As for the capital necessary, at current prices, it'll be around 2~2.5 bil spread out over 3 months. You'll need 1 PLEX at its full cost, 2 at ~1/4 cost (augmented by the SP extraction during the initial Omega set-up phase), the first extractor, and the skillbooks. That initial cost is spread out over three months' time, with the biggest of the costs being the initial PLEX, with ~500mil per month for the next two months.

After that, every cycle you do, you'll have a cost of 1 PLEX and 1 Extractor (~1.5 bil total at current prices) to earn a net profit 2.5 bil (again, at current prices). All for up to 30 minutes' work.

This is going to be a significant source of passive income up until the net profits of 8-10 injectors is equal the the cost of 1 PLEX.

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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#23 - 2016-11-12 21:45:47 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:


A whole bunch of stuff I've already mentioned in a previous post.

Considering I made explicit mention of this in my response to you, pointing out vagueness vs. what's currently happening on SISI, I'd love to see some additional sources that indicate things are actually going to be changing in the next 2 days.

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Dungheap
DHCOx
#24 - 2016-11-16 00:24:01 UTC
5 month alpha and 1 month omega to train 5 mill. sp. ..
so 4 plex and 9 months later , harvest 10 extractors and you're down 1.3 billion ..
another plex and 6 months later , you're down 2.5 billion , and harvest 10 more extractors .

6 billion invested profits 1 billion after 15 months .. and 21 months to be self-sustaining..

that's what you call the 'new era of sp farming' ..? Big smile
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#25 - 2016-11-16 01:19:54 UTC
Dungheap wrote:
5 month alpha and 1 month omega to train 5 mill. sp. ..
so 4 plex and 9 months later , harvest 10 extractors and you're down 1.3 billion ..
another plex and 6 months later , you're down 2.5 billion , and harvest 10 more extractors .

6 billion invested profits 1 billion after 15 months .. and 21 months to be self-sustaining..

that's what you call the 'new era of sp farming' ..? Big smile

You only need 3 PLEX the first time, and 1 PLEX each time thereafter to farm 10 extractors each time. You turn a profit on the second cycle if and only if you're using a brand new character. If you already have an SP farm, you probably already have the necessary Alpha skills (assuming you were paying attention) and can immediately turn about 1.6 bil in profit every 5 months, with less as margins decrease.

You'll be profitable this way over normal extraction far longer because you're only paying 1 PLEX to get 9-10 extractors instead of 1 PLEX to get 3-4 extractors.

http://puu.sh/sghc1/443046ed65.png

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2016-11-16 01:26:08 UTC
Has it been verified that the version of the plan to hit TQ is different from what was stated and actually matches what was on sisi?
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#27 - 2016-11-16 01:35:29 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Has it been verified that the version of the plan to hit TQ is different from what was stated and actually matches what was on sisi?

I've already extracted 3.5 mil in Alpha SP from an Omega character today, so I can confirm that, yes, you can extract Alpha skills as an Omega.

The big question is whether or not the skill queue will continue without pausing when the Omega > Alpha transition happens if you have only Alpha skills in your queue. I'll know that in 6 days, though others may know it sooner.

For the Newbies: The 8 Golden Rules - The Magic 14 Skills - Finding the Right Corp - EVE University Wiki
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#28 - 2016-11-16 02:19:21 UTC
and the point here is what, exactly? If someone wants to do this instead of actually playing the game for fun, good luck, I guess.

When did people forget this is a game meant for fun, and not a job where you're trying to make the most ISK you can?
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2016-11-16 02:35:39 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
and the point here is what, exactly? If someone wants to do this instead of actually playing the game for fun, good luck, I guess.

When did people forget this is a game meant for fun, and not a job where you're trying to make the most ISK you can?

Why are you viewing having an isk faucet from spare SP and fun as separate and unrelated concepts?
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