EVE General Discussion

What they did over and over is listen to whiners like you and nerf Highsec agression mechanics. So no, they should not do that and maybe for a change make Highsec gameplay more interesting instead of removing content with no replacement.

That's the thing, Eve hasn't really changed. Eve Online as a vision is getting close to 20-years old now and has always been a open-world, full-time, PvP sandbox game. A true virtual universe and a dystoptian battle royale.

That is a niche idea which won't attract or keep everyone, but to say that "Eve has changed" is disingenuous. Eve has always featured non-consensual PvP everywhere since the beginning by design.

That is quite the (incorrect) statement. If you are incorrectly generalizing groups and mean "builders" and "aggressors" then maybe, but from CCP Quant's analysis we see that most players, and the highest engaged players regularly do both. They "create" stuff and they destroy stuff sort of how this game was designed to work (you know, "Build Your Dreams, Wreck Their Dreams"?).

In fact, the 'create-only' carebear category seems to be the group of players that sticks around for the shortest amount of time. Perhaps because they aren't really looking for a full-time, PvP sandbox game, but your claim that they make up much of the longterm players seems to not fit the data. The longest staying players are the ones that both shoot players and make stuff.

This makes sense of course because that is the whole point of the game. The player-driven economy only exists because of the demand PvP and competition creates, while real PvP in this game absolutely requires the accumulation of resources and the building of stuff. Players who wall themselves off from all the game has to offer are going to have a less engaging experience.

In any case your view of the game seems quite coloured by what you do it in. Most players don't play the game only as conflict-averse highsec carebears despite what some people will try to tell you. They are a significant minority, but most players in this game are "sociopaths" who like to shoot other players on occasion, even if many of them have highsec alts to build or gather or trade stuff.


Yes, that is a great strategy: make your game more boring so your current customers leave in hopes of attracting some mythical, but larger, cohort of other players.

That is a terrible idea. If CCP really wants to go after a larger, mainstream audience, then they can create some new PvE game. Gutting your existing successful product and attempting to shoehorn it (and its ancient game engine) into a themepark MMO at a time where that genre is fading in popularity, and at a time where CCP doesn't have the resources to generate enough developer content to keep the themeparkers entertained, is foolhardy. Anyone can see that, especially CCP.

Eve Online will go on as a PvP sandbox until the day it dies. Most of the development work is done, and it could coast and be profitable for years to come. Maybe CCP Seagull's push will reinvigorate things and popularity will grow again, but if not, CCP still has a product that will keep diehards and a certain type of niche gamer happy and paying them for a long while. No point throwing that away to chase some potential customers that probably don't exist.

Who says revenue is down?
Who says pve players have disproportionately left?
EVE has seen off any number of space mmo challenges. o7, swg. Keep trying, e:d. Maybe one day, Star Citizen. At least your mum loves you, Star Trek Online. And so on
You're in the position of coming into a vegan restaurant and complaining that your hamburger doesn't have any beef in it.

I don't think they need a PvE server I think they simply need to stick to the core design of the game and make high-sec a viable PvP reduced zone. The current situation in which anyone regardless of ship type can be killed extremely cheaply and extremely easily by any group that decides they should die is the opposite of what high sec was intended to be.

The toxic mindset of many of the gankers needs to be curtailed - its bad for any business to have people in game who have zero regard for other players and whose sole intention is to cause people grief to the point they would unsubscribe.

If CCP HTFU and got rid of that small % it would be both good for the overall game and good for CCP's wallet. This game is not and never was about griefing it is and was about combat.

Changes.

Truth is somewhere between "it is dying because of them" and "its reason it did not die to this day".

Who cares what IZ and Mark write.

No opinion they put is important. Of all the doomsday scenarios put forward by IZ and Mark, the only thing apparent is that the day CCP start taking their advice for game design is the day CCP have truly lost it.

They are two of the least honest people here and there's no concern that CCP is listening to their clap trap.

Let them whinge and whine and moan and bleat. It's only their time wasted.

It started in 2003.

It only takes longer than expected.

no different than the Nibiru shite the end is NIGH!!!!!!! lol

CCP has said their revenues are down, it is publically available information. Plus you don't make a game free to play because you are doing well.
PvE players may not have disproportionately left but they have left.

EvE is drowning in all the games around it and all the die hards keep saying is working as intended. CCp need to step out of their comfort zone before this game becomes economically unviable. At the moment they just keep doing the same things, listening to a CSM that is outdated and full of die hards. Reminds me of the leader of Hy-Brasil in Eric the Viking.

Actually it looks like you walked into an accountants office and said, "what do all these funny numbers mean"

Gosh, how to rile the socio- oh no that will just upset them more.

If you had been playing long enough - say 12/13 years - then you would know that was quite the incorrect statement. You would remember that PVP was always possible, but that one could safely autopilot a shuttle from Keberz to Obe without incident. You would remember that such a journey would take a lot longer than it does today, with far more opportunities for a would-be attacker to pop your ship and get away with it, but that it never happened. You would remember that we didn't even shoot pods - bad form - even though it was always possible.

So the mechanics might not have changed, but attitudes have. If that's what CCP really want then maybe they should change the name to SIS - Sociopaths in Space - at least we'd all be clear on their intent.

Yes I was generalising. I agree that those sorts of players create a cycle for themselves which keeps them engaged, but I can assure you that even those types get bored of it the end. If you have been around long enough you would have witnessed this.

And what is the point of the game? If you click on "EVE Universe" at the top you'll land on a page entitled "Explore a universe of opportunities" which goes on to say "What is eve online: Player-created empires, player-driven markets, and endless ways to embark on your personal sci-fi adventure."

It doesn't look like CCP want to publicise their game in narrow way that some contributors to this thread seem to espouse - they have created options so everyone has choice, but some players seem to want to constrain that choice and force everyone to play the game in a way that they approve of... one which isn't actually listed in that chart, but seems to be a cross between suicide ganking and griefing.

You mean like all those people who used to play EVE, but left? Oh no, of course, no one has left. That PCU thing is just a conspiracy. Because ~30000>65303 right?

Just to be clear, this isn't about stopping players investing time and effort into HVT Hunting or piracy writ large, but rather, to stop CODE and the like from shooting no-value targets for no reason. The only people this would affect are those who are taking advantage of existing mechanics to grief other players. And losing them would really be no loss to the community whatsoever. They could go and play Space Invaders instead.