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[News] SOE SPLINTER GROUP WARNS OF SHIFT IN DRIFTER ACTIVITY; THUKKER

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Teinyhr
Ourumur
#21 - 2016-11-13 22:33:54 UTC
I also have people I want to protect, of course. I just hate having my arm twisted when I didn't even attend the arm-wrestling convention.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#22 - 2016-11-14 00:02:30 UTC
The first requirement for diplomacy is a desire to communicate - there is absolutely no evidence that the Drifters / Sleepers have ever had that desire.

So we must prove to them that whatever it is they seek through 'diplomacy-by-other-means' it is not within their power to get it. That means hammering their faces flat with every weapon that we can bring to bear. This problem has been one that we've talking about for years now. When it was just Sleepers in their wormholes then I, for one, kept my nose out of it. Now that the game has changed into one of obliterating heads of state, I am very much involved.

I would be completely willing to cede them everything on the other side of wormholes if they kept their noses out of K-Space but I think that ship has undocked.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Ashlar Maidstone
MoonFyre BattleGroup Holdings
#23 - 2016-11-14 02:05:46 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Hmmm.

Well, sounds like it's time for another check on the Hives to see how 'subtle' this change in behavior is.


Ms. Priano, I will be in touch by secure communications with you in regards to this matter. I am going to be conducting an investigation of this activity as soon as I can prepare a ship and crew for departure this week. Thank you.
Jason Galente
Hole Punchers
Drifters Stole My Local
#24 - 2016-11-14 15:12:12 UTC
Eh, screw it. Makoto, if you're looking for one more for an away team, I'll tag along. I'm actually curious about this stuff now that I did a bit of digging into the not-so-distant past.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Teinyhr
Ourumur
#25 - 2016-11-14 16:12:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Teinyhr
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
The first requirement for diplomacy is a desire to communicate - there is absolutely no evidence that the Drifters / Sleepers have ever had that desire.

So we must prove to them that whatever it is they seek through 'diplomacy-by-other-means' it is not within their power to get it. That means hammering their faces flat with every weapon that we can bring to bear. This problem has been one that we've talking about for years now. When it was just Sleepers in their wormholes then I, for one, kept my nose out of it. Now that the game has changed into one of obliterating heads of state, I am very much involved.

I would be completely willing to cede them everything on the other side of wormholes if they kept their noses out of K-Space but I think that ship has undocked.


There is evidence, unless you want to disregard it. Let me make an argument here:

First the Circadian Seekers appeared. We didn't and still don't really know what they were and are doing - our best guess is that they were scanning our infrastructure, our ships, perhaps our people even. And they picked apart and studied the Jovian Observatories the same as us. To me this would imply that they were interested in us - we were an enigma to them as much as they are to us. And perhaps this desire to know more included a desire in communicating with us. Perhaps not. We don't know, but I'm not one to throw this option out. First and foremost they were after knowledge, nothing more, least of all our heads.

Then "we" started destroying these seekers. It is alien to us, therefore it must be a threat, right? Even then they didn't start attacking us right away, they let us destroy these "seeker" units for months.

To anyone with a shred of intelligence this should be obvious, that their "aggression" had been mostly reactionary. They didn't want us poking around the Observatories, we did anyway. They didn't want us poking around their technology and people, we did so anyway. For the longest time they left us alone so long we did not interfere with whatever they were doing.

I know I'm going to get a lot of flak for this thought, but it is no secret that the Amarr have spearheaded the research in to Sleeper and Drifter technology. Their assassination of the Amarr Empress was mostly a show of force, and secondly, reviewing their prior actions, who are we to say this too wasn't a reaction as well to some Amarrian aggression conducted in secret towards them? We simply cannot know for sure, but it would seem logical.

What we do know, that they have shown a capability of wielding vast armadas and obliterating our strongest vessels in the blink of an eye. Yet they have done this only once, likely as a warning. They could have obliterated CONCORD headquarters, but they did not. They could have destroyed everything we hold dear by now, but they have not. And it would do well to ask - why not? Is our aggression towards them actually warranted?

I suppose, like you said, these question should now be asked in past tense, because it does seem our theoretical relations with them are now soured to the point of most likely not recoverable.
Jason Galente
Hole Punchers
Drifters Stole My Local
#26 - 2016-11-14 16:47:34 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

I would be completely willing to cede them everything on the other side of wormholes if they kept their noses out of K-Space but I think that ship has undocked.


Anoikis is not yours or anyone else's (but those who inhabit those systems) to cede, though I agree with your other points.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Teinyhr
Ourumur
#27 - 2016-11-14 16:55:02 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

I would be completely willing to cede them everything on the other side of wormholes if they kept their noses out of K-Space but I think that ship has undocked.


Anoikis is not yours or anyone else's (but those who inhabit those systems) to cede, though I agree with your other points.


Clearly you were not there first, so you do not have a legitimate claim to anoikis either.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
Jayai Syndicate
#28 - 2016-11-14 17:43:51 UTC
Teinyhr wrote:

What we do know, that they have shown a capability of wielding vast armadas and obliterating our strongest vessels in the blink of an eye. Yet they have done this only once, likely as a warning. They could have obliterated CONCORD headquarters, but they did not. They could have destroyed everything we hold dear by now, but they have not. And it would do well to ask - why not? Is our aggression towards them actually warranted?

On what basis you are making this statements? When did Drifters engaged CONCORD vessels in combat and why do you think they can destroy their headquarters.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#29 - 2016-11-14 17:52:10 UTC
Wasn't there a span of time where they were attacking them along with empire forces on gates and such? Before their incursions and Jamyl. Please correct me if I'm wrong on that but I thought that was the case.
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#30 - 2016-11-14 18:03:13 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Teinyhr wrote:

What we do know, that they have shown a capability of wielding vast armadas and obliterating our strongest vessels in the blink of an eye. Yet they have done this only once, likely as a warning. They could have obliterated CONCORD headquarters, but they did not. They could have destroyed everything we hold dear by now, but they have not. And it would do well to ask - why not? Is our aggression towards them actually warranted?

On what basis you are making this statements? When did Drifters engaged CONCORD vessels in combat and why do you think they can destroy their headquarters.


On the same basis as our "Drifter experts" - pure guesswork, and it's less of a statement and more just my opinion. That's all we've got, as we have no idea of their actual military capabilities, their intentions or anything else really other than the widely popular assumptions of their ill intent.

They did interrupt the Drifter autopsy findings at Yulai, DED headquarters, and they just sat there disrupting the fluid router network - which could be considered the most passive aggressive way they could interfere. Then after capsuleers engaged them they started firing back.
Jason Galente
Hole Punchers
Drifters Stole My Local
#31 - 2016-11-14 18:27:09 UTC
Teinyhr wrote:
Jason Galente wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

I would be completely willing to cede them everything on the other side of wormholes if they kept their noses out of K-Space but I think that ship has undocked.


Anoikis is not yours or anyone else's (but those who inhabit those systems) to cede, though I agree with your other points.


Clearly you were not there first, so you do not have a legitimate claim to anoikis either.


That doesn't change the fact that the empires can't just say "Ok, everyone out! Sorry about your time, money, ambitions and the lives of thousands of people that you've invested into your projects"

The point of us moving out here was to get away from people who think that way and oppose them at every turn.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#32 - 2016-11-14 20:05:36 UTC
On the Yulai Drifter incident, my suspicion is that the Drifters weren't necessarily there to stop the proceedings so much as gather intelligence on what transpired. If, for instance, Drifter infomorphs are housed primarily in their clones' cybernetics instead of burnt into gray matter as is the case with Capsuleers, then they may have been concerned that CONCORD had successfully captured a Drifter infomorph.

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