Missions & Complexes

Use afterburner to keep targets in your optimal with minimal transversal speed. Shoot frigs from distance. Thats about all.

Assuming I have lots of experience quickly dispatching frigates using light drones from my Golem, will the experience transfer over to the Mach?



Can you describe the work? Is it a speed-tank type of thing, or lots of darting out of their range then coming back? Or just paying more attention to shield levels?



E-war is indeed a concern of mine. At least I use eve-survival so I know what to expect.

I'll give the Vargur a try.

Thanks again.

You won't have any trouble completing missions with the Mach as it is a very powerful ship. The learning curve will be about using it to complete missions most efficiently and being selective about which missions you accept. It's best as a blitz ship. A marauder is better for clear all missions. I haven't flown the others, but I love my Vargur.

Autocannons are the standard fit, although I fit a 2nd Mach with artillery for the few missions that it works best.

I tried Gecko's, but lost one to inattention and another to a disconnect so I use T2 light drones if needed for frigates.

I've actually used those in a few spots with all my Golem L4 running... not a bad idea when I head out in the Mach for my first few times. Are there any frigs / e-war that can keep me from using MJD ?

Essentially yes it will remain the same.


Perhaps work was a bad choice of words. You will have to pay more attention to your shield / armor status and keeping it repped up will require more of your attention than with the Golem.


I fly all three and they all have strengths and weaknesses. I prefer the Golem because of it's consistent killing speed against all of the NPC races. The Vargur is fun because auto canon and the insta hit thing. After a period of months experimenting with the Machariel I only use it for blitzing now. Yes it is a capable ship and does very well no matter what your preferred mission style but it just lacks that overkill aspect that I get out of the Vargur and the Golem. If you can afford it try them both and then fly the one you like best.

I think you're right. That's what my gut is telling me. I want to spend part of my time learning how to blitz level 4's (including burners) in a Mach (and special fitted frigs) from that Google doc guide that's been out for awhile.

But I also like feeding my OCD where I do total clears on things like AE, even if it's non-optimal. I just like the relaxing feel of shooting stuff then salvaging and looting as I go.

Before I remap away from Perception, my intention is to make sure all 4 racial BS skills are at 5, Marauders to V, and [big gun] Specialization is at IV.

But again, yes, I think you're right.

The Mach provides a considerable amount of DPS in relation to most marauders, but at the cost of tankiness. It also tends to suffer from cap issues. It's best used as a kite/blitz/semi-speed tank boat for easier missions where there's just a lot of **** to clear out and it can be done safely.

Also frigates are a pain. With Caldari BSes you can overcome this with painters and drones, but with the Mach you either take them out immediately at range and end up being forced to rely primarily on your drones.

Mach with 800mm AC should not have any trouble with frigates.
Blap the little buggers before they get closer than around 15km and/or use your impressive speed with a 100mn AB to lower angular.
There is no need for cap issues if you get a cheap deadspace medium or large shield booster and a boost amplifier.

Mach's faster align time and warp speed really makes a difference during a blitz session.

I was planning on using the Mach fit described in this guide: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1knVqZEH8qFY0eT44nMEFwcKd3t4PbgcZeuv58SVUxsI/pub#h.17dp8vu

How easy is it to switch that fit out to an Arty-fit mach that can bag Scarlet (an extra 5mil) on that mission?

I have no idea what is going on with this thread.

Unless you some how still receive immense joy from full clearing every mission handed to you, you should be blitzing for the far superior isk/hour.

This means you should be rejecting virtually all but the most blitziest of missions. Your blitz list matters.

The mach is basically one of if not the best blitzers hands down. Especially because of warp speed changes.

The mach easily outperform the golem in blitzing. If you're sticking to blitzable missions all you need for tank is a cheap deadspace xl/l booster and a single invuln (two if youre just overly cautious). that's it, that's all the tank you'll ever need unless you're just bad.

Stick an mwd on it no reason to slow boat you're getting in and out as quickly as possible and theres a handful of missions on any decent blitz list that you'll do faster with an mwd.

you don't stick arty on a mach, especially a blitzing mach. The object is to finish missions as quickly as possible, sticking a lower dps weapon system defeats this purpose.

T2 guns. In fact for most blitz lists you may as well just run barrage 100% of the time. The falloff improvement will almost always result in higher applied damage, unless your rats are specifically tanked against barrage (mostly bad space to be running anyways)


you should never need webs. A. you can just blap 95% of mission frigs outside of 15k with one salvo of 800's. B. You shouldn't be shooting at them anyways. Light drones can mop them while you're burning larger targets anyways. C. this is a moot point because you'll almost never run into this in a proper blitz list.

You can gleefully blitz missions at virtually the same efficiency in a pvp kite mach as you would in a pve mach. You can now get dank kills while you mission/complex.