EVE General Discussion

I don't think that post you keep linking means what you think it means. It is referring to 'piracy', which in Eve is the profession of taking other people's stuff for a living, not 'non-consensual PvP' as you seem to be extrapolating it as.

CCP Oveur said you were should "[not] complain that you can't pirate easily in 0.6, you aren't suppose to do it easily." CCP kept to that vision and over the next few years made multiple changes that made piracy in highsec more difficult. They buffed the CONCORD response, buffed EHP of industrial ships, and these nerfs to highsec piracy culminated with the insurance removal for pirates which made highsec piracy all-but-extinct. It is now extremely difficult to make a living as a pirate with only bling-fit mission runners/miners and overloaded haulers existing as viable targets, none of which are viable targets for solo pirates, and there are only a small number of players left who have organized, and are grouping up to do it.

This is perfectly fine with me. There are good reasons to have a safer space where there is no financial incentive (actually, strong financial and other disincentives) to shoot the other players. This prevents most wanton violence and give space for new, solo and casual players to live, as well as other players a place to conduct trade and regroup if beaten out of the other spaces. You should be able to make yourself mostly safe in highsec if you take precautions, and that is exactly what we have now where if you fit and haul responsibly, there is no game reason for anyone to shoot you. But there still are consequences for imprudence and game decisions which is what keeps Eve a competitive game rather than just an exercise in building a spreadsheet to calculate max yield and then AFKing your way to riches.

Eve is a PvP sandbox however, and one designed with player-player 'griefing' as the central vision of the game:
Highsec is not suppose to be immune from this non-consensual PvP. While much of it has been nerfed from the game to give more safety to highsec, there are still wars and suicide ganking, both which have been confirmed many times, by multiple CCP developers in many places to be intended and integral parts of their vision of the game.

So while CCP has strayed from their original vision at times, the current amount of safety in highsec is not one of those cases. Highsec is not safesec, and appears to be working exactly as CCP intended all those years ago. In fact, highsec is mechanically safer than it ever has been in the long history of the game.

Wow you're getting desperate now. Spin it like its going out of fashion :)

Indeed. And CCP just let it be known that in the context of Alpha clones, they can lock the safety setting to 'green' with no problem at all. Clearly, the game is working how CCP want it to work, and if they wanted a safe highsec, they could make a safe highsec by changing a single line of code.

Face it friends, non-consensual PvP in highsec is here to stay, as was intended from the beginning. EVE is built on the core principle that you are never 100% safe, no matter where you go or what you do*. Highsec is as much of a part of that competitive game as anywhere else as it has always been, just like there have always been forum threads complaining about it.

Or why the carebear ganking whingers who are all about "omg ccpleassse don't make us red", "give us tagggs ccplease", "omg cccplease I saw someone mining without a tanks!!!!111" play this game at all.

Its obviously too difficult for you all. This is EVE, you don't like fighting people who shoot back, you don't like losing ships in fights, you don't like going out to low sec or null because you get wtfpwned by actuall pvp players, you're too scared of this and that and lose and risk.

Fek off and play something else, real EVE players don't like you, don't want you, despise you and feel sorry for you.

Thank you

Wow, such rage.

Don't you think it is a bit ironic to pretend we want to keep the current state of the game because we "suck" while at the same time you cry for changes to the mechanics in your favor?

are you being ignorant on purpose or do you not care to do any research before opening your mouth and letting your belly rumble?

Edit: so you want highsec to be full of non "real eve" players because without the risk you are just a fake player, gg nerd

You didn't look at his killboard did you?

That is quite an elaborate space Bushido code you have made up for yourself. Unfortunately, it bears little resemblance to the game play CCP has intentionally built into the game.

Eve is not a space samurai simulator designed to produce "gud fights". It is living, breathing universe where everyone is vs. everyone and players have maximal freedom to interact with each other and create emergence. CCP has spent countless developer hours designing, building, and implementing criminal game play into Eve so that players are not safe anywhere. It would have been much easier to just lock out weapons in highsec from the beginning if they were trying to develop some sort of balanced, e-honour space combat simulator.

That's fine though, Eve is a sandbox and you can play it anyway you want. You can self-identify as space samurai like you, or you can play as a pacifist, a dutiful line grunt, a scumbag pirate, or a righteous soldier of James 315. Do try not to lose yourself in the role though - that's not healthy. This is just a video game and you are not a noble space warrior. You are just a regular, motorcycle-riding Joe who is playing a character in a virtual universe whose design and mechanics you don't seem to fully understand.

It's like he is some kind of merge between an internet tough guy and a grunt expecting a stand off shooting because he thinks he is playing a spaceship combat simulator. And then he comes crying to the forums because he was standing there all alone and someone just dropped a nuke in his face "without risk".

EVE is actually more like a strategy game and not a bushido space hero combat simulator. If you play this game for 13-14 years and still don't get it and have to come to the forums to cry about it that really says something about you.

Lol I always love it when they cry because we fly cheap.

"I'm talking about REAL risk!" they wail "Not your 2 mil catalysts!!!1!" (They think we all fly 2 mil cats) Lololol

I think you're all about to become extinct.