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Dev blog: Clone States - Post CSM Summit Roundup

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2016-10-11 12:09:19 UTC
Andre Vauban wrote:
put it in front of my wife while she watches TV, is that against EULA?

I believe unless she makes attempt to leave the room EULA is not breached. But if she does and you find her and repeat your humiliation then that would be harrassing.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Helene Fidard
CTRL-Q
#82 - 2016-10-11 17:43:19 UTC
Helene Fidard wrote:
Devblog wrote:
If you lapse to Alpha, you will keep ownership of your colonies and they will keep running, but you won’t be able to collect any resources from them until going back to Omega State.
Can you be more specific?

Still hoping for an official answer to this. "Collect" is ambiguous. Is it only exporting that is not available to alpha clones, or are extraction and importing restricted as well?

Hey! I don't know about you

but I'm joining CTRL-Q

MECHcore
Saiyans United
Death from Above..
#83 - 2016-10-13 19:39:18 UTC  |  Edited by: MECHcore
So an ISD locked my thread in the general section he said i should post it here, so ill do that now.
He linked me this topic :')

It was named "CCP with EvE, what have you done ! ( All songs have a end eventually )"
The exact copy of my post that got locked =


Hello curious readers !

Apologies for my bad English, but ill try my best.

Myself im playing this game for more then 12years, and i have always been respectfull to other players in pvp or newer players.

What i have to say is that, this game isn't anymore what it always promised to be, the once open world is now crumbling beneath your feet.

The changing of EvE =

-Once upon a time there was this awesome vast world where you had to work hard when you started, like my Ibis mining 3k isk worth of veldspar a hour, and starting from 0 skillpoints.
After some years it suddenly changed with people getting 800k skill points to assign when they started.

-Plex arrived a while after, buy the skills with the best implants and buy the biggest ship out there ( imagine 2 alliances fighting eachother, 1 alliance that plays the normal way, and 1 alliance that buys 5k of plexes ) , i must confess that i buyed some aswell but Plex should never have been available in the first place, i had to buy some to keep up with others. ( Good financial move CCP for a while atleast )

-From then on i saw a huge number of oldschoolers dropping the game, it became P2W.

-60k+ online members on the average Sunday once upon a time, then dropped to 40k.

-We also saw Aurum somewhere in between.

-Then the much debated isk for buying skillpoints.

And now soon The Alpha clone, people playing for free, welcome CoD kids, or welcome free scouts, lets make a dozen free chars to scout. ( them getting paid 5m each )

-And omg as last, i do not mind the dissapearance of IGB, nostalgic it was yes, obsolete yes, but i very strongly condemn, and i must repeat condemn that you will rule out very awesome game services like EOH Poker and possibly EvE-Radio.
EOH poker and EvE-Radio have been around for like 10 years, i tend to use their service alot, and their not known for meta isk transfers, its a shame if they would have to disappear.

Numbers keep dropping, 40k+ is done for a while 30k+ now, they will go up with a semi free to play version of the game "Alpha clone" ( A trick to show good numbers )

Whats the next step ?

EvE free to play game in the browser ??


My conclusion is that the game over the past years is losing its charm, its turning into a cheap to buy basket game.
Where in the past the game had prestige, a quality game that seemed to be exceptional against the others.

It can be turned around, alot of people that left played this game for its quality not quantity and greed.

Closure:

-This post will be locked or ending up somewhere in the trashcan not been taken seriously.
-EvE once a power to be withnessed in the mmo world is now turning into a cheap if not free basket game.
-Sry for my bad English
-If you have money for a monument, you sure have some for the game its future quality wise gameplay, but GJ on the servers and software thats given.
-Do not erase my name on the monument after this complaining post.
-Il stick around, but when the ingame fun drop to much il leave ( no you cannot have my stuff )

Shouts out to my fellow EvE pilots, lets hope they will hear us ! o\

Make the game great again pls !!
ACESsiggy
The Scope
#84 - 2016-10-14 04:55:28 UTC
YaY. Sounds like some solid forward thinking 😁

“The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.”

Alexis Red
Doomheim
#85 - 2016-10-24 17:00:24 UTC
Restricting the alpha/omega dual login is a game breaker for me, as a part time PVE player.

Too expensive to play a broken game.

Best wishes to all, but can't see this working out well for the long haul., unless they introduce a low cost
3 day Omega pass for a couple bucks.
Alstevar Eastern
Caldari State
#86 - 2016-10-28 05:24:11 UTC
About the Yellow square around ships and items icons.

It's a good idea to show what you can't use with an Alpha clone but why did i have the yellow everywhere on Omega clone too ?

Each time i see yellow i have Tech 2 and Amarr in mind. If you can't remove the square, it can be good to have them with races color on ships and white for the rest.

Your effective personal standings need to be higher to see the player's signature.

Saffoo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2016-10-29 20:55:06 UTC
OK i'll copy and pasted to this thread

Greeting all

This may cause huge flames but what the heck here goes :)

OK we have this lovely big ass patch almost upon us with lots of exciting, controversial and game changing stuff, though I only have one real bone in the broth

Alpha's :x

The concept of eve being free to play / unlimited trail play is great though CCP seem to have missed a rather large trick and i'll explain

The current trail system restricts the use of power by the fact that you have to pay, you want the goodies you had pay, this also had the advantage of smoothing the increase and decrease in player numbers and giving stability to the eve universe

OK come November the 15th (yup please make sure this patch works guys :) the handbrake comes off and Alphas will be with us

This is going to be really good for eve in lots of ways, more players trying eve, new player experience (if they get it working), free to play, try and die :D

Now everyone is concerned that come November there will be a huge increase of chars created to do one thing, that being gank the heck out of high sec and your right, high sec will be gank heaven

Now this is where CCP is missing a huge trick, by letting alphas have all this power in high sec they are missing out on risk v reward, IE the Alpha pilot has NO RISK but LARGE reward though ganking

Also CCP will miss out on a revenue stream as these pilots can make as many accounts as they like and put no isk into CCP's wallet, this is bad

The answer is very simple, just lock an alphas safety system to green while they are in high sec, this has several benefits

1 CCP won't have to do any monitoring of the player bases activities to work out if they are going to go gank crazy, be honest CCP you know we will

2 The idea behind Alphas remains truer, ie to get more people playing eve and having a better experience

3 Keep's the gankers under control

4 keeping alphas safety system locked in high sec means that if they want to shoot people in the face they will have to go to low sec, where this sort of action is SUPPOSED to happen, according to eve lore anyway

5 This is the biggie. OK a new player has an alpha clone, like eve but wants to do more things then he's going to be happy to buy a PLEX or sub his account, this gives a much higher player retention and also gets people that want to gank into paying for the game

6 CCP will look like muppets when they have to retroactively apply a brake on alphas due to the massive number of gankers flying around

OK i'll wrap this up in the following way

If you want to trading, mining, building, invention (IE PVE) in highsec (or anywhere else) you HAVE to pay, there is no way around it and at the moment if you want to gank then you dont really have to pay, just make a new account

So CCP, in this patch that i'm really (in most part) looking forward to, keep the alphas safety system locked in high sec and reap the rewards of having more money coming in and also having a better high sec :)

Ganking is a way of life in eve and it's not something that will ever go away, it's a lifestyle that people like though they need to pay for it in the same way that that other people do

Basically whatever lifestyle people choose in eve, they should rightly pay for it

FREE TO PLAY, YES!

FREE TO GANK NO!!

OK that's me typed out :)

Fly safe
Groza Dallocort
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Reckless Contingency.
#88 - 2016-11-05 13:31:28 UTC
So I have second computer and i start an alpha account on that one and I got 3 omegas on my first computer will that be against the EULA.

I'm awere that some people have already been asking that but no clear answear from CCP yet.
Darkblad
#89 - 2016-11-05 14:24:49 UTC
Groza Dallocort wrote:
So I have second computer and i start an alpha account on that one and I got 3 omegas on my first computer will that be against the EULA.
As shown here
EULA in effect from 08.11.2016 wrote:
You may establish more than one (1) Account for each copy of the Software licensed. You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one account at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for each of the accounts you intend to use for that purpose.
You are not allowed to be online with the alpha and one or more of the omegas. You are also not allowed to have one or more omegas online and then log in with the alpha as well.

Able to != allowed.

As your omega accounts turn into alpha each time their account turns inactive, you are allowed to have multiple alphas, yet the EULA defines if and how you can enter the game.
Groza Dallocort
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Reckless Contingency.
#90 - 2016-11-06 15:56:42 UTC
Hmm thanks for clearing that up for me.
Duensch
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#91 - 2016-11-08 11:32:02 UTC
Kenneth Feld wrote:
At my gaming desk, i have 3 computers (2 Macs and a winblows machine)

Can I run an alpha on each computer or is that against the EULA?

What if I am running my typical 12 clients doing whatever I do and my son logs in an Alpha on his computer?
Is that a EULA violation?

If I use my Mac and run each client in a "Space" which is a OSX feature which make a virtual machine, can I run as many alphas as I want? I can currently run as many trial accounts as i want for reference... Is this against the EULA?

Mind you, I am asking if it is against the EULA in future tense....

what he said
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2016-11-08 19:30:52 UTC
Duensch wrote:
Kenneth Feld wrote:
At my gaming desk, i have 3 computers (2 Macs and a winblows machine)

Can I run an alpha on each computer or is that against the EULA?

What if I am running my typical 12 clients doing whatever I do and my son logs in an Alpha on his computer?
Is that a EULA violation?

If I use my Mac and run each client in a "Space" which is a OSX feature which make a virtual machine, can I run as many alphas as I want? I can currently run as many trial accounts as i want for reference... Is this against the EULA?

Mind you, I am asking if it is against the EULA in future tense....

what he said

"You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one account at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for each of the accounts you intend to use for that purpose."

Notice that "unless using separate machines" is missing. The EULA is an agreement between you and CCP, not your PC and CCP so anything you do on any machine or combination of machines that violates the EULA is still a violation of the EULA.
Count Szadek
bashy all the time
Liberators of new eden
#93 - 2016-11-10 02:41:37 UTC
With Caldari and Minmatar getting Drones to V. Would Amarr and Gallente be able to possibly get Drone Interfacing to IV or higher non-damage drone support skills to even things up.

Also, is there a reason that Gallente is not getting Heavy Drones/Sentry at all? Vexor and N. Vexor both can use them confortably.
Otto Schultzky
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2016-11-22 04:49:53 UTC
Better late the never. I have a "few" questions regarding the Alpha Clone skill list.

So "WHY?" the following:

1♦ Electronic Warfare and Weapon Disruption are Level 3 across all Races/ Factions
(Fun for everyone in ECM Ibis and TD Imerator?)

2♦ Sensor Linking or Target Painting are Level 1 for their respected Race/ Faction
( Would it have made more sense to have Racial/ Faction E-war skill at Level 3 and exclude E-war of other Races/ Factions, or have it at Level 1?)

3♦ Minmatar Controlled Bursts 1 Gunnery ???
( Since when Projectile Weapons use capacitor? )

4♦ Gallente Shield Rigging 2 ?!

5♦ Drones Rigging 2 for Minmatar and Caldari
( "...Shirley you can't be serious..." )

6♦ NO Armor Rigging for Minmatar
( Rupture and a few other are not an armor tanking ships?)

7♦ NO Light Missiles and /or Rockets for Gallente / Amarr mostly
( Magnate, Dragoon, Arbitrator and Celestis don't have missile hard points? Something basic: Launcher operation 2, Light Missiles 2, Rockets 2, too OP ? )

8♦ NO Shield Maintenance Bots/ Drones for Minamatar?
( Scythe has a role bonus just like Exequror, or would it be OP having Drone Durability 1-2 and Repair Drone Operation 2 ? Augoror on the other hand doesn't have any Logi drone bonuses and I doubt Arbitrator has bonuses for Logi drones )

9♦ Heavy Assault Missiles Level 3 (why not Level 4?)

10♦ Industry 5, isn't that a bit high
( Granted all it does is reduce production time, also it is no longer a prerequisite to to have Industry 5 to fly T1 industrial )

11♦ Gunnery Level 5 and / or Missile Launcher Operation Level 5
( Level 4 would have been sufficient )