Player Features and Ideas Discussion

vic
Nice use of qualifiers, bro.

afk cloaky camping is extremely inefficient and generate very few kills per month.
pvp ready ratters? Nice small gang chowder.
Go with 97%. 99.9% is pure hyperbole.
Yepp content in nullsec is too low. I want more ships undocked.
Wait for the introduction of cloak charges before trying to pretend your cloak ran out of charges.
If it does not work in deep sov, then don't do it in deep sov.
Afk cloaky campers keep players docked up and extremely safe.

I want them to undock and be unsafe.

Ratpack
I have been perfectly transparent. I have my axioms and conclusions that follow from them. It is a perfectly legitimate approach to the task at hand.

Ratpack
Thank you for sharing your subjective beliefs with us. Both the apriori and apost-priori belief perspectives are greatly appreciated.

And here I was thinking only Norway had an obligatory Examen Philosophicum as part of all its University degree programmes.

Anyway

More ships will undock. 1000nds more per day.

23 000 (let me source that for you. source: Eve-offline) at a given time. Only CCP knows how many individual accounts log on per day (a number which can in turn be decompiled into various areas of space. Nice word. Decompiled). But we can be sure the number of daily log-ons is greater than 23000.

More ships will get caught due to human error and a function of ships in space. 3% is based on industrial standards for acceptable deviation in components as I have repeatedly stated.

100 more people per hour undocked is within the ballpark of my 1000nds estimate incidentally.

Indeed. The remaining 97 will generate hundreds of millions of new isk in the game.

CCP would need to keep a close eye on total bounties and adjust it appropriately.


I am very clear on my wanting more ships undocked and more ships killed.

Because content.

Good lad. Nothing even on the border of being reportable.

BTW, the 23,000 is the average, not necessarily the number at any given time.

The point is that it puts a limit on your notion of how many ships will be undocking even if we accept your hypothesis that ships will be undocking.

What the end result is cannot be easily predicted. Especially based on all your flacid assertions. Reducing bounties will likely suppress the numbers who will undock. The increase in roams that you predict will decrease undocking and lead to an increase in docking up (thanks to local BTW). And there is always the possibility that people will find a way to still AFK cloak albeit for shorter periods thus partially circumventing some of these tremendous gains you are touting.

And have you thought of unintended consequences outside of AFK cloaking? Didn't think so. I have one in mind, but lets see if you can figure it out. Here, I'll give you a hint...exactly how big are these charges going to be? You have indicated they'll be really, really tiny so as to have virtually no impact on a cloaking ships cargo space, right?

Why exactly? In term of actual (not meta) game mechanics, actual (not perceived) harm to other players, why should cloaking be "tempered" to make it hard for someone to sit cloaked in a system 23/7?

Completely off topic, but it has been irritating me as well.
Calling Teckos, Rat Pack based of what his avatar looks like would be the equivilant of me calling you a Douche Bag because your avatar looks like that to me.

You really shouldnt be able to 100% AFK Anything, if you arent at your PC in some way shape or form, then there is no capsuleer in the ship, or behind the wheel.

If you are sitting there watching a movie moving the mouse around then fine its not AFK is it.

"Not undocking because there is a [afk] cloaked neutral/hostile in local" is a causation statement.

Which I agree with.

Hence my suggesting that afk cloaky camping be tempered somewhat by introducing a command burst type charge for cloaking modules (effectively a 5 hour timer).

Humans adapt to mechanisms. I am not particularly concerned with balance. I am concerned with the lack of undocked ships.

This is precisely why you are wrong.

And also precisely why I'm done here. You and I are talking to cross points, so I don't see any benefit in continuing.

I hope you realize eventually the the problem with too many docked ships is with the pilots of those ships, not the ones hiding cloaked in their system.

o/

Giving NS a way to lock down stargates completely and stop incoming WHs from spawning would also result in more undocked ships. Does that mean its a good idea?

Look a statement we can all agree on!!