EVE General Discussion

Pretty sure its a case of 'if you can fly it now, you can fly it after the patch'.

CCP always tries to make sure you can keep flying ships you could before. Some ships may have new prerequisites but as long as you have the core skills you should be fine.

Stop being a d1ck and be helpful. Guy even said sorry in his first sentence.

There aren't any patch notes yet, and unless I'm really bad at reading, what Word of God I am aware of (this thread specifically) certainly makes it sound like I should still be able to fly the Sleipnir as long as I have Minmatar Battlecruiser V and Command Ships I, even if I had not a single skill in the Leadership tree.

But the reports coming in from Sisi say otherwise. I'm mostly asking if there has been any Dev confirmation anywhere of which way this is swinging. And if there are indeed going to be additional skills required, which exactly they are for the Sleipnir specifically.

Further, if those additional skills ARE going to be required solely because they are now the prerequisites for Command Ships skill, does anyone know if they are essentially eliminating grandfathering as a general principle going forward? Will future changes in skill prereqs generally be turning off skills for those who had trained the old prereqs but not the new ones.

TO BE SUPER CLEAR: I am not whining here. I can be a big girl and suck it up if I have to train new skills to keep flying my ship. But I would like to know in advance so I can get them trained before the patch rather than having to buy an injector afterwards.

No! and his first sentence shows just how lazy he is so my point is valid. Plus my answer to his question which you seem to have missed is correct.

Instead of being rude to me why didn't you help him? Who is the **** now!

And... I posted a link to that thread already. It doesn't answer the question.

After the Ascension release training the skill will require the following prerequisites:

Spaceship Command 5
Command Burst Specialist 4 (formerly known as Warfare Link Specialist)
Wing Command 4


Beside the Command Ship skill itself, each Command Ship will continue to require its corresponding Racial Battlecruiser skill at level 5. No other changes are currently planned for the Command Ship prerequisites

As I read those 2 statements the answer to your question is:

- If you have the command ship skill and the racial BC skill at V you will continue to be able to fly the ships.
- If you lack the command ship skill the requirements to train it are changing, but that is not a change to needing the CS skill and Racial BC V to fly them.

Thanks guys, that's how I interpret those statements as well. But I've seem multiple reports from Sisi that, under the most recent build, you also need to have all the prereq skills for the primary skills (even if you trained them when they had different prereqs) and/or that new primary skills beyond what's indicated in that thread have been added to the racial command ships. This is what I'm seeking clarity on.

And we don't really know.

The way things are right now, we expect to be able to fly the ship, but be unable to install the actual fleet boost modules, because those require the leadership skills. So it's kinda moot to try to fly the ship without the modules it's intended for.

The reports from Sisi could also be confusing if people try to Make Active or enter a ship that has the fleet boost modules already installed from before the patch, or installed by someone else. I'd expect that to not be allowed.

But a stripped empty ship with no modules, should be able to enter it and fly it.

Last time I had this issue when trading a ship between characters the mods they didn't have the skills for were simply disabled. It's been a while since that last happened but I wouldn't expect that to change, especially post still extraction.

Also IIRC the CSs were supposedly balanced around both combat and boosting roles (prior to the T1 BC rebalance putting them it a bad place for the former role comparatively). That leave plenty of room for burstless CSs unless the role is being removed with intent.

Edit: Also, as pointed out at least some portion of what is on sisi isn't part of the (at the point of the thread) final plan.