EVE General Discussion

arzad doesnt sound much fun tbh

easy = fun right?

You're right Ima my friend. First these carebears go on and on about how -10's shouldn't be able to dock in NPC stations and they should have to set up their own citadels so they are vulnerable and "somebody can go teach them a lesson" but when the gankers go and do exactly that and start using them to stage ganks, they now decide it is too much effort to do so and prefer to just whine how it is unfair that the gankers can use citadels at all.

Will these carebears ever be happy?

Look, -10s could and were using POS shields to "sit" in highsec for years. How is tethering to a citadel any different? Hint: it isn't because sitting behind a POS shield is exactly what the tethering mechanic is suppose to reproduce.

I don't even know why I try.

No.

I would have Hisec people adapt to survive like people do in Nul, Low and Wormhole space to differing degrees. If it's possible in Nul, it's very possible in Hisec. People's refusal to use safe practices to avoid ganking are why ganking is a thing, and no amount of begging for a nerf is going to make those same folks any less to blame.

This is a player solvable problem (as demonstrated by all the freighter guys who never get ganked vs the ones who always do) not a mechanic problem CCP need to fix.

Stop being such Wendy's and overcome the obstacle. Loads of good stategies have been suggested so far and there is ONE reason the anti-gank crew havn't picked up on any of them. Laziness..

How about this suggestion:

1. Get rid of faction police
2. Slowly replace NPC stations with player Citadels across the the board

If you really want high sec players to face the same conditions as WH and null players then getting everyone in high sec out of NPC stations would be the best option.

Please tell me with a straight face how this suggestion is pro care bear.

Yea, the goal posts sprouted wings lol.

This is why I'm telling Tardbar his ideas don't work. People cried out for a way to "take it to the gankers", gankers have citidels and rather than attack their citadels, it's right back to "run to the forums!".

No amount of changing things can help people who won't act.



The answer we can see from all these years of observation and demonstration (yes, some of us demonstrate in game ways to thwart and even defeat people who try to screw with them, to no avail) is of course NO.

And it's not just high sec people. For years now I've been using my FoF/drone ratting battleship sit ups in 'camped' null sec systems, haven't lost one in ages and I use it to show the people crying about cloaky campers that they can be safely ignored so long as you are at the keyboard.

To no avail, because like all whiners, they don't want DIY solutions even if they work, they want the power that be to modify the landscape in their favor, they want the effort to come from CCP rather than themselves.

Unfortunately CCP seems to think there is some point which these unhappy people can be made happy, and they've been modifying the game for years on that premise , despite the evidence that nothing you can do will ever satisfy them, and efforts to do so only end up screwing over those of us who didn't ask for any help.

how about you leave high sec as it is now

and go to lowsec since thats apparently what your looking for.


if you want pvp. go low and nullsec.

if you want alot less pvp, thats why highsec is there with concord.



don't force your desire on others, when what you desire already exists.

EVE is a pvp game yes, but that doesn't mean all of it should be pvp.

highsec is where people go to take a break from the pvp and (for me) rebuild and recover(i go to highsec to avoid pvp so i can get money to buy new ships for when i'm ready to go pvp. or when i need to just take a break from the suspense of a pvp free environment where you can get jumped at any time)

in short, theres a reason high sec is so populated. and if highsec was turned "pvp friendly" how many people would leave? considering how majority of playerbase is in highsec....for a reason(and not in low sec) i'd guess a good degree of the playerbase.





the issue with turning control of stations to players, is when people lock others out (look at citadels right now. lot of scams going on where you can't go into a citadel to turn in a contract. now imagine all of your stuff is in a station, and the player who controls it has locked you out)

with EVE being so open and encouraging to scam, betrayal, theft, ganking, and......well to put it as Grath Telkin of Sniggardly said "EVE is a game that relies on hate to create war"

so highsec is the place where you can safely know you can dock. and not be locked out
its a place you can put stuff and know you can get to it later
a place where you can save stuff for whatever project you are doing.

remove that, and you have alot of people quitting until your left just with the playerbase of low and nullsec. and how long will that last? (with the frequent betrayal....and no place to store your stuff safely)




citadel mechanics is fine in low sec and nullsec. because you have highsec as that place you can always have access to dock. and be able to get your stuff.

The New Order of Highsec exists specifically to teach people how you can be made into prey. Actually, to be honest, it exists to teach people that they are ALREADY prey. We are not shy about telling them how to deal with this either although for some reason people seem to have major heartache with our education efforts. As I have said many times, we can explain it to them but we can't understand it for them.

And we do it all with a smile.