EVE General Discussion

Hrm... What might make throw away corps less problematic if if you quit or disband the decced Corp that you remain a war target for 7 days unless the Corp agrees to a peace deal.

You can't. They are seeking PvP therefore it can never be non-consensual.

You could try to find their scouts and logistic haulers that are not seeking direct PvP, but alas, since highsec is so safe now it really is hard to explode someone who takes precautions, like the associates of criminals are likely to do.

Funny how that works.

CODE. is an alliance that is wardeccable by anyone and harbours a significant fraction of the gankers in the game. The others will just use throwaway corps to dodge wars like the recalcitrant carebears do (funny how that works?).

More relevant though, most criminals are already outlaws and free-to-shoot to anyone. No wars are necessary at all. They are literally as vulnerable as game mechanics can make them. There is no way to turn the risk up any further for them.

Of course it can. Fitting tank is PvP. Scouting is PvP. Bringing logi or ECM support is PvP.

You can stop gankers in their tracks if you spend any effort. You can protect a single freighter, or ice/ore belt with only a small fleet that will require several-fold more criminal players to overcome.

But no, you can't stop all criminals everywhere, but why do you think you should have that ability? The criminals can't explode everyone everywhere. Why should you be able to lock me out from playing the game as a criminal everywhere? How would that be balanced.

You can protect yourself in a multitude of ways. The PvP encounter is heavily stacked against the criminals as it should be in highsec. But you should not have the ability to stop the criminal from playing the game just like everyone else.

That would be something close to "griefing".

Not sure they actually have a plan. Perhaps they'll get someone in who will one day address:

Suicide Ganking
Cyno's
Cloaky Camping
N+1
Capital Proliferation
Killboard Fallout
Gates
Alpha
War Decs

But I wouldn't hold my breath, these negative things have been around for years, generated thousands of posts describing the negative aspects and they have failed miserably to address any of them.

They did finally address:

Capital Projection
Sov

2 out 11+ aint bad... actually yeah its pretty bad in 10 years tbh

You can't. Well not without buffing criminals some.

The faction police make it impossible for criminals to give a good fight even if they want to. If you want a symmetrical fight with a chance of escalation you have to at least allow the criminals to bring a proper combat ship that won't necessarily be destroyed. Otherwise they just won't undock in anything not disposable and only undock for the minimum time required. Without the faction police they might get lazy or hang around in space purposely looking for a real fight and you could get some more symmetrical PvP.

You either make highsec very safe and the NPC's handle the punishment preventing any lasting player law enforcement or escalation, or you make highsec less safe and build mechanisms for the players to call for help and act as vigilantes to fight in more 'traditional' ways. You can't have both.

So far CCP has chosen to go with the first paradigm, but I am hopeful a complete revamp of CrimeWatch someday could produce a more interesting way to commit crime that would enable escalation on both sides. But I wouldn't worry as Eve has had such unbalanced and harsh PvP mechanics since day one and has done just fine. As long as it is indeed possible to protect yourself, everything is working as intended.

did he?

The way we do now. learning the mechanics, getting them to emulate themselves on CONCORD (they REALLY don't expect miners to have implants that increase ehp), grouping up, using alts that can rep or counter-bump. Hauling in jump frighters and having a ready low sec cyno on a pos of citidel so if you get bumped it's press one button and escape.

OUTTHINKING them, neutralizing before they even log on because (as everyone outside of high sec knows) fights in EVE are won while docked and looking at the fitting screen.

Again, that's the problem, high sec people defautl to "there is nothing I can do so CCP needs to do that for me". Why do people choose to play games involving other people (EVE is an open world mmo) if they are going to run to mommy dev the second it gets tough?



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Then counter it with PVE. Get a list of the missions in high sec with ore in them. Tank your ships to tank the rats in the mission. HOPE a ganker team decides to scan your mining op down and warp in to a room full of npcs that will switch and kill the gankers before they can do enough dps to kill one mining ship.

That's how you mine more safely in npc null. but it works in high sec too. High sec miners would know that if they spent less time complaining about CODE on forums and more time experimenting with ways to avoid and counter the people they don't like.



they already nerfed ganking and buffed EHP on mining ships. they gave ships higgs rigs to counter bumping. They have implemented the 30 second warping rule to thwart bumpers (who are trying to bump you away from gate guns so they can gank you) etc.

End result? SAME result as all of CCPs NPE revamps and lowering of barriers to entry to get new people to play: ZILCH.

People still complain, gankers keep adapting, the weak minded who can't think for themselves keep dying and the keep running to this forum begging for help they could have delivered to themselves BEFORE they got ganked.


And those of us who got our gameplay enjoyment from playing in fine Indianna Jones fashion (ie avoid the bad guys, run the mazes, get the loot, laugh at the folks who failed to kill you all the way to the bank) are the real ones who get screwed but CCPs recent interventionist stance. WE didn't need help to avoid gankers, and the people who do need that help can't be helped in the 1st place, because they are dumb as rocks.

Now now Jenna you were one of the people who "ran to mommy dev" when you didn't like incursions.

Since when did i tell ccp to get rid of incursions?

My alts have made numerous trips to Jita and around New Eden. I have never had my ship ganked. Why... Because I fly smart I would guess. Here seen some simple tricks:

1) Avoid Niarja and Uedama. It's not that hard to find a place to mine or mission run where you can do what you wish and do not need to pass through those systems. Just go to Dotlan, use the maps, and you are fine.

2) Haul less and smarter. Niarja and Uedama are ganker's heavens. So if you do have to pass through those systems, haul less. This does not mean make all 20 jumps repeatedly only hauling 20 mil. Simply pick a system a few jumps before these systems. Dock up, drop your cargo, split it into smaller loads, take the small loads through the danger zones. A jump or two after, Dock up drop off your cargo and go back for more. Yes it may add some jumps to your task but you'll be rewarded with less chance of being ganked and not have such a long trip.

3) use a hauling service like Red Frog.

4) if you have to, go the long way. Both systems can be avoided and you can still stay in hi sec. Yes it is a longer trip, but you are safe.

5) before heading out, open up the in game map. Under statistics, select ships destroyed in the last hour. If you see a huge red mark on any system you pass through, accept that the gankers are active and wait. After all, eve is a game of patience.

Practice this and chances are, you'll haul millions of loads and isk long before you are ganked.

Edited to add:

If you are being bumped, don't ransom and don't accept a dual request for web help from a stranger. Chances are, it's a scam. If the bumper had a fleet at the ready, you would already be shot. Eventually, they will have to accept that you won't pay and move to An easier mark. At worst, they'll waste your time and theirs while others get through.

Do explain.