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Questions about Blood Raider site ganking (contesting)
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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#41 - 2016-10-23 00:46:17 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Maneila Bekas wrote:
a WOLF beat me 2mins ago in my 980dps Cynabal with 2 Sensor Boosters :D

So yeah, it is ******* last shot....



Simply put: No. Unlike this anecdotal, "I think I should have won but I didn't win so it must be last hit," I've actually tested this by specifically granting the last hit to one of two alts, and they did not win.

That said, it isn't necessarily most damage, either. It could, for instance, be flagged at a damage threshold, e.g., first 20%, in which case you could very easily lose to a faster-locking ship with reasonable DPS output (or, especially, good alpha) despite doing more overall.

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Kaivarian Coste
It Came From Thera
#42 - 2016-10-23 13:57:22 UTC
I stumbled on a gauntlet that was partially finished and abandoned. I killed a rat that appeared to be full strength, and it turned into a YELLOW wreck. Obviously I delivered both MORE DPS and the killing shot to the rat, and yet it was yellow. Perhaps the wreck goes to whoever lands the first blow?
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#43 - 2016-10-23 14:00:17 UTC
Kaivarian Coste wrote:
I stumbled on a gauntlet that was partially finished and abandoned. I killed a rat that appeared to be full strength, and it turned into a YELLOW wreck. Obviously I delivered both MORE DPS and the killing shot to the rat, and yet it was yellow. Perhaps the wreck goes to whoever lands the first blow?



No, I've tried that as well, look up thread.

Assuming what you've said is correct, having it triggered at a damage threshold (first X damage or first X% damage) seems most likely.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#44 - 2016-10-24 04:11:32 UTC
I have a feeling that smewhere in the CCP offices there are GMs rolling dice and taking bets on quantity of forum tears that will result from flipping this wreck one way or the other :D

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pajedas
Doomheim
#45 - 2016-10-30 12:42:05 UTC
It's just like a KM.

Final blow gets the KM, and in this instance, the wreck.

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Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
#46 - 2016-10-30 22:47:08 UTC
Kaivarian Coste wrote:
I stumbled on a gauntlet that was partially finished and abandoned. I killed a rat that appeared to be full strength, and it turned into a YELLOW wreck. Obviously I delivered both MORE DPS and the killing shot to the rat, and yet it was yellow. Perhaps the wreck goes to whoever lands the first blow?


Well, maybe somebody was fighting against the Blood Raiders' armor repper for some time until he gave up, and when you came armor and shields were fully repaired. In that case he still could have delivered more damage than you and hence became the wreck owner.
pajedas
Doomheim
#47 - 2016-11-01 14:36:59 UTC
Kolmogorow wrote:
Well, maybe somebody was fighting against the Blood Raiders' armor repper for some time until he gave up, and when you came armor and shields were fully repaired. In that case he still could have delivered more damage than you and hence became the wreck owner.

Sorry, illogical argument.

If the target's armor and shields were fully repaired the person that comes along and kills it by doing %100 of its total damage would more than likely (1,000,000/1) do more damage.

Last shot gets the KM and the wreck.

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Violet Hurst
Fedaya Recon
#48 - 2016-11-01 14:48:55 UTC
pajedas wrote:
Kolmogorow wrote:
Well, maybe somebody was fighting against the Blood Raiders' armor repper for some time until he gave up, and when you came armor and shields were fully repaired. In that case he still could have delivered more damage than you and hence became the wreck owner.

Sorry, illogical argument.

If the target's armor and shields were fully repaired the person that comes along and kills it by doing %100 of its total damage would more than likely (1,000,000/1) do more damage.

Last shot gets the KM and the wreck.


A repper can restore more than 100% of HP if there is damage incoming.
pajedas
Doomheim
#49 - 2016-11-01 14:57:40 UTC
Violet Hurst wrote:
A repper can restore more than 100% of HP if there is damage incoming.

True. But, given the fact that the last shot gets the KM/wreck AND the quote was, "maybe somebody was fighting against the Blood Raiders' armor repper for some time until he gave up" leads me to believe that he did very little damage. Chances are if he wasn't able to break the NPC's tank he probably wasn't able to tank the NPC's damage.

*I wasn't there but it takes me about 5 minutes to run the site from top to bottom.

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Violet Hurst
Fedaya Recon
#50 - 2016-11-01 15:08:07 UTC
pajedas wrote:
Violet Hurst wrote:
A repper can restore more than 100% of HP if there is damage incoming.

True. But, given the fact that the last shot gets the KM/wreck


Whenever did that become a fact? And no, a ship with low dps doesn't necessarily have a bad tank.
pajedas
Doomheim
#51 - 2016-11-01 15:26:05 UTC
Violet Hurst wrote:
pajedas wrote:
Violet Hurst wrote:
A repper can restore more than 100% of HP if there is damage incoming.

True. But, given the fact that the last shot gets the KM/wreck


Whenever did that become a fact? And no, a ship with low dps doesn't necessarily have a bad tank.

They are not mutually exclusive but true 9/10 times.

I'm right, you're wrong. Not worth arguing anymore.

Toodles

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Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
#52 - 2016-11-01 15:57:06 UTC
pajedas wrote:
Kolmogorow wrote:
Well, maybe somebody was fighting against the Blood Raiders' armor repper for some time until he gave up, and when you came armor and shields were fully repaired. In that case he still could have delivered more damage than you and hence became the wreck owner.

Sorry, illogical argument.

If the target's armor and shields were fully repaired the person that comes along and kills it by doing %100 of its total damage would more than likely (1,000,000/1) do more damage.

Last shot gets the KM and the wreck.


In this thread multiple people came to the conclusion that top damage gets the wreck after they tested it, even the people who believed before that the final blow gets the wreck. And no, you don't get a KM for killing a blood raider.

If the last shot would get the wreck how will you explain the observation that Kaivarian Coste made (the one that I was quoting)? I was trying to explain it based on the fact that top damage gets the wreck with a maybe unlikely argument, but certainly possible and not illogical. Until now I don't see another explanation, except that there is some bug or a random factor in determining the wreck owner.
pajedas
Doomheim
#53 - 2016-11-02 01:04:07 UTC
Kolmogorow wrote:
In this thread multiple people came to the conclusion that top damage gets the wreck after they tested it, even the people who believed before that the final blow gets the wreck. And no, you don't get a KM for killing a blood raider.

If the last shot would get the wreck how will you explain the observation that Kaivarian Coste made (the one that I was quoting)? I was trying to explain it based on the fact that top damage gets the wreck with a maybe unlikely argument, but certainly possible and not illogical. Until now I don't see another explanation, except that there is some bug or a random factor in determining the wreck owner.

Sorry, wrong. Tested over 100 times.

I know you don't get a KM for a BR...are you really that dense?

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Violet Hurst
Fedaya Recon
#54 - 2016-11-02 10:59:19 UTC
You really love making up numbers, don't you? Big smile
Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
#55 - 2016-11-02 12:13:26 UTC
pajedas wrote:
Kolmogorow wrote:
In this thread multiple people came to the conclusion that top damage gets the wreck after they tested it, even the people who believed before that the final blow gets the wreck. And no, you don't get a KM for killing a blood raider.

If the last shot would get the wreck how will you explain the observation that Kaivarian Coste made (the one that I was quoting)? I was trying to explain it based on the fact that top damage gets the wreck with a maybe unlikely argument, but certainly possible and not illogical. Until now I don't see another explanation, except that there is some bug or a random factor in determining the wreck owner.

Sorry, wrong. Tested over 100 times.

I know you don't get a KM for a BR...are you really that dense?


From the EVE Wiki: Container and wreck ownership:

"When an NPC is killed by a player, the player who did the most damage to it gets ownership of any loot containers that may drop and of the wreck left behind by that NPC."

That's what 4 or 5 people said in this thread and tested just a few days ago and it has been confirmed in other threads. We are talking about NPCs and wrecks btw, not about PVP and kill mails. The rules might be different.
pajedas
Doomheim
#56 - 2016-11-02 12:34:53 UTC
I agree to disagree.

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Bagatur I
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#57 - 2016-11-02 12:35:45 UTC
well, the event is over, but here are my 2c.
I think the rules are different for normal NPC rats and this event rats. although I cant say anything about BC loot ownership rules, I did notice that bounty was NOT split if there were others on grid. I was getting full 10k or 120k if I killed the rat.
pajedas
Doomheim
#58 - 2016-11-02 12:49:08 UTC
About the first 25 that A$$HAT$ came in and contested after I killed 20+ NPC's I overheated and turned up the DPS on the BC and BS. Lost most of those.

After that I watched the damage and timed it just right to land the final blow.

I won 99/100 after I switched to final blow. Many of those I ONLY landed 1 shot and won the wreck.

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pajedas
Doomheim
#59 - 2016-11-02 12:56:00 UTC  |  Edited by: pajedas
I've sold as many as I have left: Blood Raider Loot

Blood Raider Cerebral Accelerator x104 remaining.

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