Player Features and Ideas Discussion

hi all/CCP,
first off, if this is the wrong forum, please move it.

i just painstakingly added 24 systems as per this list https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203209712-Rookie-Griefing
to my systems avoidance list manually.
i am an aspirant PVPer/troll, the kind that invites people into a convo after ganking their MTU in hisec.

would it not be a good idea to set this up as a function within autopilot settings, character creation, tutorial or whatever else useful point in the game-flow that is easy to implement without big code-changes for CCP?
it should be linked up to the thread/list of rookie/career-agent systems kept by CCP and auto-update from that via the launcher.

Basically, just a tickbox in an appropriate place that says something along the lines of "would you like to avoid rookie systems where the banhammer comes down if you're naughty to others? not ticking this box enables space-d**k-mode, at your own risk".

that tickbox would add all those systems to the avoidance list and set the autopilot-settings to avoid the avoidance-list.

that would keep people from doing bannable eve gameplay to rookies inadvertently and AFAIK if you set your destination to a system in your avoidance-list, you get taken there regardless of AP-settings. (correct me if i'm wrong)
so control of the feature would remain with the player whilst giving single-click safety to the people that are after trolling people without being real space-d***s, AKA really griefing rookies.

KR PI

i am just below the sec status to get into 1.0 (without problems) anyway. AFAIK there is no AP setting for staying out of only a specific secstatus like 1.0, but still go to 0.9, in my case, that also ensures not going into rookie systems in the process. i didn't double-check to be honest, are ALL of those 24 systems 1.0?
that is why i went through the pain of adding those systems to begin with.

all i was saying some people might get into sticky situations that really don't intend to, and would it not be nice to give ppl the single-click choice, rather than having them go through 5 minutes of copy/paste hell to be on the safe side.

edit: (i know i can get to 1.0 at my current secstatus, just have to be quick on my space-feet)

I guess the logic here is I haven't ever found myself missioning in a 1.0 system, the last time I remember doing so I was a rookie, I suppose I don't mission all that much though.

To clarify that's not what I was implying was common sense, avoiding 1.0 systems was the alternative to using common sense. I was implying that anyone who is doing this would at least look at the info on the player before engaging, if they are doing this then it should be really obvious whether or not someone is a rookie and is protected by this policy. While the policy defines specifc systems it does not specifically protect everyone in those systems, just rookies.

A UI change to assist a marginal part of a playerbase in a very specific activity? Sorry, not gonna happen. I'm just being objective here.

ok lets try some quoting then :)


i came here for opinions, so i appreciate this, while i'm not quite sure still that not commiting bannable offenses on real newbies should be marginalized.



point taken, but see above.




did i get it right?


the part i was on about is actually pure black and white, does anyone here oppose making real newbie griefing in the rookie-system-sense as per the list harder? i propose making it easier-to use.

edit: ...as per the list harder? i propose making it easier-to use.

Or your in uedama during code ops

there is a huge difference. doing it to players old and new who are outside of those 24 systems (@mike adoulin: i used to have a post-it with damage-types, i want to stop having post-its) is normal, encouraged gameplay, within those systems it becomes abannable offense and rightfully so imo.



i cannot honestly say complete no on that. the best times is when the tears come to enjoy them for a bit, then try to inform them what they could've done to prevent it. sometimes they listen and if they do, they normally come away happy and with some very basic tips, courtesy of the 8 golden rules, uni-wiki et al.

mainly this is about avoiding the ban and honestly, i can't see much fun in doing it to people so new that they may not have seen me on their overview because they removed player-ships by mistake or something.
i'm going for those experienced enough to run missions to make MTU drops worth-while for me, while still being stupid enough to shoot a yellow thorax in a mission-BS with rails on.

having-re-read the site, does this:

" Disregarding warnings to cease such behavior from authorized CCP personnel is considered to be in violation of section 6 of the Terms of Service. Any player who violates the Terms of Service may be subject to disciplinary action."

mean an actual CCP or ISD will convo or email me to stop doing it before handing out temporary bans and such?

edit: and saeger: thanks for pointing that out #micdrop :)

https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203209712-Rookie-Griefing

looks like 4x3 starter and another 4x3 career...

Alternately, CCP could just force safeties to green in rookie systems.

It is inadequately messaged to players that aggression/criminal actions against players are forbidden in these systems, and mechanically there is nothing preventing this from happening.

I feel this is a problem that is sure to cause some headaches on Nov 8th when a lot of people unfamiliar with playing EVE, but familiar with the spooky internet legend of "everything is allowed in EVE" will unknowingly and repeatedly violate an important rule that the game itself does nothing to explain to them, and cause a lot of headaches for GMs in the process.

Or better yet, just move all the rookie systems off the normal server cluster entirely and establish a "newbie island" which kicks players out at a certain SP breakpoint or something.

How about we just go a step farther and disable switching to yellow or red settings in rookie systems?

You get warned and then banned for doing things that yellow and red settings require. So why even give the option?