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[Ascension] Tactical Destroyer and Small Artillery balance updates

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
Brave Collective
#21 - 2016-10-26 20:44:42 UTC
There must be a typo on the Confessor stats. It says mass 1.800.000 (-200.000) and you clearly meant 1.500.000 (-500.000).

But no worries, I caught it in time.


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Marian Devers
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
#22 - 2016-10-26 21:38:06 UTC
oh man!

Cant wait to fly the improved Jackdaw so I can start locking ships at the blistering speed that 350mm scan resolution provides!

Thats 8 seconds to lock a light drone, and 6 sec to lock a frigate. Perfect.
Raido Kudonen
Fweddit
Free Range Chikuns
#23 - 2016-10-26 22:53:46 UTC
Jackdaw and Hecate should probably keep their RoF bonuses at 5% per level, because the Jackdaw's DPS is frankly terrible compared to the other T3Ds and the Hecate's only real strong point is damage (since it can be easily kited by a T1 cruiser with a scram and web).
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#24 - 2016-10-26 22:58:27 UTC
I look forward to seeing these on TQ.

Thank you to CCP and the Focus Group participants for what look to be solid changes.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#25 - 2016-10-27 00:24:02 UTC
Looks good. I think this strikes a fair balance. Some fairly big nerfs whilst not nerfing them to oblivion.

Switching the damage bonus to the sharpshooter mode and switching the speed bonus to the AB MWD are very good solutions.
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Angelus.Mortis
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2016-10-27 00:47:48 UTC
Took you only 2 years of tears to actually do something.
Congrats on the nerf on the Jackdaw, as if it wasn't already in a niche place....
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
Brave Collective
#27 - 2016-10-27 07:05:17 UTC
Marian Devers wrote:
oh man!

Cant wait to fly the improved Jackdaw so I can start locking ships at the blistering speed that 350mm scan resolution provides!

Thats 8 seconds to lock a light drone, and 6 sec to lock a frigate. Perfect.


You and your blobb-muppets should just stay silent.

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Luscius Uta
#28 - 2016-10-27 07:39:38 UTC
You could've just nerfed the scanres bonus of sharpshooter mode to 75 % or 66.6% instead of completely removing it, same goes for targeting range bonus since a targeting range of up to 137,5 km on a small hull is a bit silly. And giving resistance to damps and TDs isn't exactly a nerf, since it removes two weaknesses on those hulls.

Workarounds are not bugfixes.

Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2016-10-27 07:40:36 UTC
Darrien wrote:
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
You're giving the jackdaw another low, but no CPU to go with it?


No they're moving a mid slot to a low slot.


Right and at the same time nerfing the already hilariously low DPS out of sharpshooter, ostensibly this damage can be clawed back via an extra BCU, which it can't fit. Meanwhile the mid loss hurts either it's tank or control.

But perhaps I missed the clouds of jackdaws blotting out the sun previously, maybe it did need a healthy nerf too. Could have sworn said clouds were svipuls though.
FT Cold
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2016-10-27 10:08:06 UTC  |  Edited by: FT Cold
Hell yeah, a slam dunk on command bursts, mining command ships, and now on t3ds. Great job guys, I can't wait to see what's in store for t3cs. Big smile

Edit: Engineering complexes are pretty cool too, I guess.
Marian Devers
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
#31 - 2016-10-27 10:09:43 UTC
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Fast locking T3Ds are a big problem for players wanting to roam out in lowsec and especially nullsec with frigates. A Svipul with a single sensor booster is a faster locker than a Stiletto with a signal amplifier fitted, and without a sensor booster locks faster than the fastest Tech I combat frigate, the Rifter. This has hurt the nullsec roaming meta substantially, and has killed a lot of active-tanked frigate PvP in null. A single Svipul even without a sensor booster forces you to burn away on every jump in, repair your armor, reload your ancillary, giving the Svipul enough time to get ahead of you on the next gate to have to do it all again. In a T1 frigate you can even be insta-popped in ships like the Atron. Needless to say, this is awful gameplay. Especially as the Svipul can achieve this with relatively little sacrifice.

The idea here is to make the sensor benefits of Sharpshooter more finely tuned to “anti-EWAR”, and eliminate some of the oppressive gameplay (mostly from the Svipul) with high scan resolutions in Sharpshooter on T3Ds.

This will mean camping Svipuls will have to sacrifice a mid for an extra sensor booster to get close to the same performance as now, which will make them more vulnerable, and they won’t be able to casually lock every frigate in the game just by being in Sharpshooter. The addition of damp and weapon disruptor resistance are interesting and will benefit a lot of sniper/kite T3Ds like the Confessor.


I would just like to quote this part of Suitonia's blog post.

Can -anyone- explain why, when correctly identifying the problems of a Svipuls high scan res, a decision was made to nerf all t3d scan res, instead of just the Svipuls?
Sitting Bull Lakota
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#32 - 2016-10-27 10:32:32 UTC
These are good changes. The svipul is getting mauled with the balance machete.
It will be fine after this. Probably.
Thank you very much for reducing the fitting cost of small artillery in this pass as well.

Yes. Good changes. Carry on.
Suitonia
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#33 - 2016-10-27 11:34:50 UTC
Marian Devers wrote:
oh man!

Cant wait to fly the improved Jackdaw so I can start locking ships at the blistering speed that 350mm scan resolution provides!

Thats 8 seconds to lock a light drone, and 6 sec to lock a frigate. Perfect.


Thats the old value of the jackdaw before skills.

Jackdaw
-1 Mid Slot
+1 Low Slot
1,100,000 kg (+100k) Mass
6x (-0.6x) Inertia Modifier
500 mm (+225) Scan Resolution
180 m/s (+10) Velocity

The new Scan Resolution is 500mm before skills, if you have Signature analysis 5 it will have a 625mm signature

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
Brave Collective
#34 - 2016-10-27 12:46:09 UTC
One more question, do we have to expect a production material increase by 400 fold now too??

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Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#35 - 2016-10-27 12:52:09 UTC
Next up to "Making Artillery Great Again"

Can you spend some time making medium 650s not terrible? Or give arty 3 size options like all other weapon systems.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#36 - 2016-10-27 16:12:21 UTC
I have to lol at the Svipul getting the nerf hammer to its base speed bonus. Giving it the same prop mode vulnerability as the Hecate is pretty ingenious.

However, since the bonus also applies to ABs, I expect we will start seeing a lot more 10MN AC Svipuls. Can't wait to try it on sisi.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2016-10-28 11:21:14 UTC
Why do you have to keep making it harder and harder for me to fit oversized microwarpdrives to ships? Cry
Valkin Mordirc
#38 - 2016-10-28 14:23:02 UTC
Henry Plantgenet wrote:
Why do you have to keep making it harder and harder for me to fit oversized microwarpdrives to ships? Cry


RIP 14km/s Svipuls
#DeleteTheWeak
Lasisha Mishi
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#39 - 2016-10-28 15:37:38 UTC
my jackdaw thanks you


Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
#40 - 2016-10-28 16:37:51 UTC
Great changes. At least one year too late, but better late than never.