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Unable to fly Comand Ships anymore

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Vabanaz Arjar
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2016-10-25 17:29:57 UTC
Maybe is missed a Devblog, but can't fly Command Ships anymore on Sisi.
Apparently the Skill Requirements have changed.

What happend to the "If you can fly it now, you can fly it after the Update" - mantra?
Elenahina
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-10-25 18:12:16 UTC
Unless something has hanged, you will still be able to fly the hull. Eve doesn't check the prerequisites for the hull skills, it only checks the skills necessary to fly it. The prerequisites will keep you from training the skill, but not from sitting in the hull.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno

Raksan Ibid
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2016-10-25 18:27:31 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
Unless something has hanged, you will still be able to fly the hull. Eve doesn't check the prerequisites for the hull skills, it only checks the skills necessary to fly it. The prerequisites will keep you from training the skill, but not from sitting in the hull.


Something has changed. The command ship hulls now require the relevant leadership skills to IV in addition to the Command Ships skill.

e.g. Damnation now requires Command Ships I, Armored Command IV, and Information Command IV.

Players who have the Command Ships skill trained without the leadership skill pre-requisites are now unable to the fly the ship.

IMO, it's a 3 day train per ship, so they should just do the train or inject them, after having been grandfathered in for ever, and getting buttloads of free SP (for already super high SP characters!) from things like the battlecruiser skill split.
Vabanaz Arjar
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2016-10-25 18:53:48 UTC
Raksan Ibid wrote:


IMO, it's a 3 day train per ship, so they should just do the train or inject them, after having been grandfathered in for ever, and getting buttloads of free SP (for already super high SP characters!) from things like the battlecruiser skill split.


I'm not gonna argue with you here, but from my perspective as a paying Customer it would be a bad decision if they go down that path. "Just go and buy a Skillinjector" is not exactly the answer I want to hear. ;-)

ApolloF117 HUN
Puritans
We want your ISK
#5 - 2016-10-25 19:49:31 UTC
"If you can fly it now, you can fly it after the Update"

well now like if you can fly it now, you can **** yourself and buy skill injectors and fly it after the update, aka something goes bloody wrong at iceland, maybe the vulcanic activity goes up again and some of them at the devs can't concentrate on the important and reasonable things, or they hired some devs from wargaming and logic gets ****** without reason , next one is going to be if you want use doomsday then you need isotope and 3000 aurum to fire it,
Luscius Uta
#6 - 2016-10-26 07:35:30 UTC
This is just CCP's way of telling you to buy some skill injectors. I will need to train Wing Command IV to use Command Ships again and I need two skill injectors for that, and that's not ISK I'll spend happily.

Workarounds are not bugfixes.

Luscius Uta
#7 - 2016-10-26 09:10:21 UTC
Update: I just logged in to Sisi and could board my Vulture and Damnation (cluster was shutting down so I didn't had time to check with other Command Ships) despite not having Wing Command IV. Are people actually complaining about not being able to fly ships without even trying to board them? And some say that EVE players are smart!

Workarounds are not bugfixes.

CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#8 - 2016-10-26 10:22:52 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Fozzie
You will not need to train Wing Command 4 if you already have Command Ships trained (since WC is a prereq for the CS skill rather than a prereq for the ships).

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Elenahina
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-10-26 12:45:23 UTC
Luscius Uta wrote:
Update: I just logged in to Sisi and could board my Vulture and Damnation (cluster was shutting down so I didn't had time to check with other Command Ships) despite not having Wing Command IV. Are people actually complaining about not being able to fly ships without even trying to board them? And some say that EVE players are smart!


That's kind of what I was thinking. The prerequisites apply to the skill, not the ship iteself.

But, I would not be surprised if people are whinging without actually trying to board the ships. It happens everytime they make a change in skill requirements for ships.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno

Cassiel Seraphim
EVE University
Ivy League
#10 - 2016-10-26 13:38:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Cassiel Seraphim
People are complaining, I guess, because you're now unable to undock in a ship unless you meet all the requirements. So people who trained the old Command Ships, fly them as combat ships without having the normal boosting skills, can no longer fly these ships until they train the boosting skills.

Which [the complaints] is fair, I only trained armour boosting skills, as I normally only ran the 3 armour links in my Damnation. But this change means I can't undock any of the command ships anymore, ships I flew as combat ships.
Tisisan
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#11 - 2016-10-26 21:53:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Tisisan
Luscius Uta wrote:
Update: I just logged in to Sisi and could board my Vulture and Damnation (cluster was shutting down so I didn't had time to check with other Command Ships) despite not having Wing Command IV. Are people actually complaining about not being able to fly ships without even trying to board them? And some say that EVE players are smart!


I've flown a sleipnir for years, but only ever as a part of alpha fleet so never specced charsima to train into current requirements. I cannot sit in my sleip on sisi.

"Operation of Sleipnir requires the skills Skirmish Command : Level 4, Shield Command : Level 4"

Has zero to do with wing command, has to do with adding the command IVs as hull reqs, not as prereqs for the commandship skill.

CCP Fozzie wrote:
You will not need to train Wing Command 4 if you already have Command Ships trained (since WC is a prereq for the CS skill rather than a prereq for the ships).


Hilariously misleading cherry picking.... Fozzie only comes out to answer the one question that doesn't even understand which skills are creating the issue and completely ignores legitimate questions about the changes.
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
#12 - 2016-10-27 11:19:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
Tisisan wrote:


CCP Fozzie wrote:
You will not need to train Wing Command 4 if you already have Command Ships trained (since WC is a prereq for the CS skill rather than a prereq for the ships).


Hilariously misleading cherry picking.... Fozzie only comes out to answer the one question that doesn't even understand which skills are creating the issue and completely ignores legitimate questions about the changes.



Basically.

When were you going to give us a blog or hey...guys...train these skills before Nov 8th CCP? We've been boosting on t3's since CS have lacked in this realm for years. Many have just 1 warfare trained.

Or many have run these combat since we don't want to boost and BC tiericide and nerf have made only navy and CS viable truly effective combat use BC's.

Need the skills...fine. We should have known this weeks ago. not less than 2 weeks out and most of CCP out of office in vegas for part of that.
oiukhp Muvila
Doomheim
#13 - 2016-10-27 11:22:45 UTC
Maybe file a bug report if you can't now fly what you could before?