Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I guess you missed the part where they're adding more procedural NPCs in empire space to make empire factions more important/meaningful for hisec residents.

The storytime lore elements aren't as important as the actual ingame effect of NPC empires, and currently players don't have very many incentives to get large dislike ratings with one faction or another.

With those empire mining fleets and other stuff they have cooking it could very well be quite profitable ratting without also forcing people to grind standings to access l4 missions. You could just go to caldari space and start shooting caldari for ISK and making similar money and possibly opposing faction LP through tag turn ins or something.

Giving people static bonuses is bad simply because of the time scale of EVE training. a permanent 5% bonus to shields? Now that character is literally gimped for armor ships. Want to fly an armor fleet? it's not just rolling a new character. it's rolling a new character and training for months and months just to efficienctly use an armor tanked BS rather than a shield tanked one. That's INSANELY bad for players with the way EVE's training works.

This is exactly why I know it will never happen, kudo for the write up on it though.

This is why I rather just have characters have different starting attributes states based on bloodline but allow the character to remap right away if the player wants to. it implies the characters are different but ultimately gives the player the choice to still be competitive right away.

Also I have not head anything about CCP enhancing NPC empires lately other then the expansion of the Serpentis new ships. Im much more into the history and NPC factions of eve then the PvP side of things. the only PvP I really care about is on the market.




You make terrible write ups surrendermonkey, try being a bit more persuasive rather then pessimistic.
Try being a little more constructive with your argument then cursing and calling people idiots every post you make.

Yes in the min-max world of EVE, players will be drawn to make only certain bloodline for certain purposes. players are already doing this as its not uncommon for one player to have sever characters, each one specializing in a different area. If characters has boost it would just further drive this unlinking concept. however it would change all the character from being cut from the same die to being cut from 12 different dies. changing the way characters are selected for veteran plays but also focus the way new players play now being given a direction to pursue with there characters.

See popeurban for an actual good argument on why my concept will never work.

Ah, yes i did read that. however its a big vague if its just gona be the old mining mission recycled or if tis going to be like a site. such as i fly into a belt and just happen to find some NPC mining frigates working away that i can interact with.

If you havent noticed the forum is called Player feartures and Ideas Disussion. Just because an idea is bad doesnt mean its not worth being raised. other ideas may arise that are better then the orginal concept.

So what if certain races have a special bonus to certain fields? small values like that don't impact gameplay too greatly, and they help out a great deal if you're specializing in something from the outset. Even if i don't personally approve of the idea, i can see it has merit and i don't see it impacting gameplay too badly, as long as they cut out combat bonuses to balance performance out; the trick would be ensuring that the racial bonuses would only really impact single-player gameplay, like hacking strength instead of probing, manufacturing instead of combat bonuses, etc.

Two things:

First, the way things stand, if a player wants to modify her stats to match her bloodline or her preferred way of playing, then she can already do so by using a remap. It's also one reason why you get two free remaps for a character.

Second, a balanced set of attributes is better for new players until they learn what it is they prefer to do in EvE. Once they have determined what they like and don't like, then refer to my first point.

Nothing needs to change to get this utility. It already exists.

As for Alpha clones. These are maximums. If I were to put Gadget into Alpha status, then all of her industry, science, and reprocessing, and corporate skills would technically go bye-bye until I paid to have Omega reinstated. On the other hand, her ability to pilot T1 Minmatar cruisers and below would actually remain more or less the same.

Gadget - Best Pilot.....

I like this juxtaposition.

They don't impact too greatly.... help out a great deal... don't impact... great deal.

vOv

For the second time, now, the alpha SP cap doesn't work the way you imagine it works.

It is not actually a hard cap of 5 million. That part is incidental. Think of the obvious problem with the way you imagine it works. Bob, an Omega with 20 million SP, lets his sub lapse and downgrades to an alpha.

Which 5 million SP does he still get to use?

Oh, hm. That's a bit of an issue, yes?

What actually happens is that an Alpha has access to a finite set of skills, up to a certain level of proficiency. The skills in this set, at their alpha ceiling, total up to about 5 million SP.

So, no, the starting skill allocation doesn't matter. You're not saving them from "Wasting" any of their valuable 5 million allocation on anything they don't actually want. Every Alpha can utilize the full set of Alpha-capable skills at the Alpha-capable ceiling. If it were merely a hard cap on the total, you would...

A: Need a way to define which 5 million SP a downgraded Omega gets to use.
B: Open the door to VASTLY more useful Alpha-alts than are currently possible (a limitation which is very much by design). And, I'll be honest: I'm pretty convinced, at this point, that this is what you're actually fishing for, here.


Furthermore, if it did work in the entirely broken manner that you imagine it works in, what happens when Alice starts out and goes, "Hmm, I'd like to try mining..."

A week later, Alice decides mining is garbage, and wants to try Combat... but now she has a weeks worth of SP from her 5m allocation trapped in useless mining skills, with no particularly viable way to retrieve them. As long as she's an alpha, she would be permanently gimped (relatively, compared to an alpha that started and stayed "combat") thanks to your brilliant idea to force her into a box for her own good.

Way to help the new player.

Please stop arguing as if it works the way you think it works, because any such argument is fundamentally, 100% completely irrelevant. It doesn't, and it's not going to.