Player Features and Ideas Discussion

But +3 implants already require cybernetics level 1

+4 require level 4, and +5 require cybernetics 5.

What change are you actually proposing?

1. Implants are are "luxury item"... you do not actually NEED to install them. Hell, most 0.0 players do not have any implants.

2. The skill requirements are already low. Cybernetics level 3 takes one to two days to train. That is small compared to some other skills.

Since +1 to +3 implants only require cybernetics 1, these are easy trains.

I think it's best to discourage players with fewer SP from thinking about +4 implants and up too.

De-Irishing this as:

I have plenty of sympathy for this sentiment; however, there are some reservations and things to consider:

There is definitely play in judging how to allocate attributes to get the most balanced return over sensible time-scales (and too many people ignore this, and just think in terms of PER/WIL for x weeks, then INT/MEM for y weeks! (which is for very old hands really). How about a balanced build for the first few months? It's much better overall.

The remap timer is probably too long at 1 year for a computer game (3 or 4 months?)

It might be best to lock newbies and alpha clones into a situation where:
(a) Their base attributes were balanced, but the attribute sum was better than for a regular character, and
(b) They can't change it for 6 months / until omega / until total SP reaches 5 million or whatever.

Basically, something that gives new characters and alphas a pretty fast skill progression which is agnostic to the attributes required, providing a decent training rate for any skill, but which forcibly removes:

Anxiety over whether attributes / skilling is being done efficiently, and
The decision: should I remap.

These dudes need to learn how to manage transversal, not get slingshot, launch their drones, overheat mods, not forget to stop overheating mods, learn typical danger profiles for all the other ship, etc etc.

Just don't let or require these dudes to have any control over their attributes or remaps.

And again, 1 year is very long in the computer game industry.

The 'play in judging remaps' is entirely of benefit to established characters making alts. Not of benefit to new players.
Attributes outright need removing. They limit game play far more than they benefit game play.

Nah Cristl, since they advise new players to fly pirate ships on day one so they are spoiled and don't fly anything else that would be "beneath" them anymore, I would strongly encourage new players to always use high-grade pirate implant set.

To do just that I would propose to make a new book called "advances cybernetics". This new rank 32 book would only need to trained to level 5 for accessing high-grade pirate implants.

That way new players get the real immersion of EVE Online and you can never do wrong and you are the goodest player in EVE.

allowing alpha clones , which are capped at cybernetics 3 , to use +4 and +5 implants ..

I thought the most common method was to get Evemon (or some other program) to calculate optimal attributes for your skill plan.

Which tells me that I'll be sticking with Per/Will for a while. The only likely change is if I want to grab leadership skills. I'll switch to train them, then use my bonus remap to switch back.



New characters are also the ones who would benefit the most from remaps. Older characters find themselves in positions where switching attributes doesn't help.


That's a problem with attributes. The time when changing them is most helpful is the time when players have a lot to learn about Eve.

Can you please explain why you feel alpha clones should be able to offset one of their big disadvantage, the reduced training speed?

Are you perhaps setting up an SP farm using alpha clones?

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