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Questions about Blood Raider site ganking (contesting)

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Chococat
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2016-10-21 13:00:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Chococat
It used to be termed "the final blow". The wreck is flagged as belonging to the party that brought the targets structure below zero. The wreck then appears yellow to anyone else. Anyone opening a wreck that is yellow is flagged as suspect to the wreck owner and the wreck owner is entitled to commence pew pew.

However anyone opening that wreck is probably doing it to try for a fight , that means they are either a moron having an emo rage moment or they are pvp fit and think you are easy game. then again they could just have noticed that you are so far from the wreck that they think they have a good chance of thieving the loot and getting out before you can scram them.

With a VNI you should be able to dual mar tank if you really need to - running one rep most of the time - bursting the second if you need it, (which should be very occasionally occasionally if ever, I ma guessing you dont have pimp skills and might appreciate a comfort buffer), this way you could get right on the raider structure thing in room two ready for the BC spawn, hit approach on the bc as soon as it appears , when it pops check can ownership is yours and scoop.

You don't have the dps to compete with gilas. Just avoid wasting time against them .
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#22 - 2016-10-21 14:07:00 UTC
I tried these Blood Raider events in a rail Tengu that has good dps, but rails don't do good em damage.

I went to a Harbinger, it could do good em dmg, but I couldn't find a happy medium, between gank and tank.

I looked thru my hanger to see what ship I could use. I said what the heck, take the Golem out.

The Golem may be a bit overkill, but it did very well. I one volleyed almost everything, and the BC.

With even another guy in the field, who got to the accel gate before me. While he slugged it out with the cruisers, I was still slow-boating it to the gate. I still got there in time to get the BC.I then used the tractor beam to pull in the wreck. Next time I need to fit an AB or MWD.

So I'll take the Golem out again for these events.

Question - can a wreck be stolen or looted when it's caught in a tractor beam?

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.

Al Nomadi
Morawins
#23 - 2016-10-21 14:20:22 UTC
Ion Kirst wrote:
can a wreck be stolen or looted when it's caught in a tractor beam?

-Kirst



Yes, but the ship doing that must be able to do 500+ m/s
Aplysia Vejun
Children of Agasul
#24 - 2016-10-21 14:32:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Aplysia Vejun
Ishido Attaka wrote:
Aplysia Vejun wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Tipa Riot wrote:
Strange, I could swear top damage gets you the wreck ownership ...


Nope, I'll back this one. Final blow gets it.
.

I often did the last blow without getting the ownership..


Than it was not you, who did the last blow. Simple as that.

Nope. I was the only player present in the site. The others had to flee before i killed the last rat (it was in lowsec)
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
#25 - 2016-10-21 15:45:55 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
It is definitely most damage - not final blow. As someone else noted, this IS trivially tested, but I think the actual testing step was skipped over. Lol

Having just shot several belt rats into structure on one character, then finishing them off with a second, the wrecks came out yellow to the "final blow" character every last time.

Using character 1 for the first shot, then DPSing down to nothing with the second character before finishing off with the first also resulted in the second character getting the loot rights.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Buoytender Bob
Ronin Exploration Mission and Mining
#26 - 2016-10-21 16:51:08 UTC
Well, we have two camps at opposite ends who have tested the "who claims the wreck?" problem. Can we reach a conclusion that both sides agree on?

To buck the popular trend, I began to Rage Start instead of Rage Quit.

...and every time I get another piece of Carbon, I know exactly what CCP is getting this Christmas.

Kaivarian Coste
Whale Patrol
#27 - 2016-10-21 17:41:08 UTC
Earlier today I ran a site in high sec, and got the BC down to structure before I had to reload. Someone else was in the room and blapped the BC before I could resume DPS, but the wreck went to me. So it's definitely not the last person that delivers DPS.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#28 - 2016-10-21 22:49:50 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
It is definitely most damage - not final blow. As someone else noted, this IS trivially tested, but I think the actual testing step was skipped over. Lol

Having just shot several belt rats into structure on one character, then finishing them off with a second, the wrecks came out yellow to the "final blow" character every last time.

Using character 1 for the first shot, then DPSing down to nothing with the second character before finishing off with the first also resulted in the second character getting the loot rights.


Alright, I'll repent. Most damage it is.

Which now makes me wonder what kind of **** fits I've been competing against. A beam Confessor doesn't do that much damage.
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
#29 - 2016-10-21 23:04:59 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
It is definitely most damage - not final blow. As someone else noted, this IS trivially tested, but I think the actual testing step was skipped over. Lol

Having just shot several belt rats into structure on one character, then finishing them off with a second, the wrecks came out yellow to the "final blow" character every last time.

Using character 1 for the first shot, then DPSing down to nothing with the second character before finishing off with the first also resulted in the second character getting the loot rights.


Alright, I'll repent. Most damage it is.

Which now makes me wonder what kind of **** fits I've been competing against. A beam Confessor doesn't do that much damage.


One thing I'm not sure on is if it's on an individual basis, or a fleet basis. E.g., if I do 40% of the damage to a rat, and two guys in a fleet each do 30%, I'm not sure if I get it or they do (but I think maybe I'm about to find out).

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2016-10-22 04:59:03 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
It is definitely most damage - not final blow. As someone else noted, this IS trivially tested, but I think the actual testing step was skipped over. Lol

Having just shot several belt rats into structure on one character, then finishing them off with a second, the wrecks came out yellow to the "final blow" character every last time.

Using character 1 for the first shot, then DPSing down to nothing with the second character before finishing off with the first also resulted in the second character getting the loot rights.


Alright, I'll repent. Most damage it is.

Which now makes me wonder what kind of **** fits I've been competing against. A beam Confessor doesn't do that much damage.

I won a couple against Gilas, because their drones spent too much time traveling back from the last cruiser rat to the battlecruiser, where I was sitting 1000m of the rat dishing out 500 DPS after instalock.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Chococat
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2016-10-22 06:43:37 UTC
I concur; I having spent the last 30 mins deliberately contesting sites to test, (thanks to an early morning alarm call from a son who really needed to discuss thunder-birds at six am on a Saturday morning)

it does look like its most damage is the key
Sentenced 1989
#32 - 2016-10-22 11:49:11 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
It is definitely most damage - not final blow. As someone else noted, this IS trivially tested, but I think the actual testing step was skipped over. Lol

Having just shot several belt rats into structure on one character, then finishing them off with a second, the wrecks came out yellow to the "final blow" character every last time.

Using character 1 for the first shot, then DPSing down to nothing with the second character before finishing off with the first also resulted in the second character getting the loot rights.


Alright, I'll repent. Most damage it is.

Which now makes me wonder what kind of **** fits I've been competing against. A beam Confessor doesn't do that much damage.


One thing I'm not sure on is if it's on an individual basis, or a fleet basis. E.g., if I do 40% of the damage to a rat, and two guys in a fleet each do 30%, I'm not sure if I get it or they do (but I think maybe I'm about to find out).



Still same thing, if in fleet - wreck is owned by last shoot (kill), however wreck will be white to all fleet members. Also bounty is always split equally on grid regardless of damage applied.

Let's say fleet of 3, one is not on grid, you shoot and kill 1 million bounty ship. 3rd guy not on grid gets nothing. You and fleet member on grid get half mill each, regardless if your fleet member shot the wreck or not.
Hendrix Foster
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#33 - 2016-10-22 14:12:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Hendrix Foster
I have been trying to do (and easily winning) these event sites in an ewar Celestis as a challenge, and it is of course do-able with missiles and hobgoblin 2 etc. You just need to keep your distance.

However, I am doing a site and I see Gilas/Navy Hurricanes (that need to grow a pair) and all sort of ridiculous OP ships being the hero at these sites.....FFS

Only one thing to say to them....pussies.

EDIT - Doing these current event missions in a Gila or Navy battlecruiser is akin to doing level one missions in a Brutix......pathetic imo.
Sentenced 1989
#34 - 2016-10-22 14:40:12 UTC
Hendrix Foster wrote:
I have been trying to do (and easily winning) these event sites in an ewar Celestis as a challenge, and it is of course do-able with missiles and hobgoblin 2 etc. You just need to keep your distance.

However, I am doing a site and I see Gilas/Navy Hurricanes (that need to grow a pair) and all sort of ridiculous OP ships being the hero at these sites.....FFS

Only one thing to say to them....pussies.

EDIT - Doing these current event missions in a Gila or Navy battlecruiser is akin to doing level one missions in a Brutix......pathetic imo.


So, somebody has worked out how to do this site faster and more efficient then you, but because they are using ship which is fine tuned to do that exact thing you decide to call them names?

Kudos to you. I can also say something about intelligence of person running PVE in ewar ships...

Also doing level one in a Brutix might be more hard then you think, and if you Brutix fit can do it faster then for example Corax / Jackdawn, it means you actually understand this game mechanics...
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
#35 - 2016-10-22 14:42:58 UTC
Sentenced 1989 wrote:



Still same thing, if in fleet - wreck is owned by last shoot (kill),



No, it isn't. As you noted earlier in the thread, this is easily tested with an alt - you should do that. It's most damage. I'm not sure where this last-hit myth came from (pvp killmails, perhaps), but that isn't how it works.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Hendrix Foster
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2016-10-22 15:00:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Hendrix Foster
edited by me.
Maneila Bekas
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#37 - 2016-10-22 15:56:25 UTC
i use a polarized Phantasm, FactionMods.
+6 All Turrets Damage Implant
960dps or something out of the guns (i heat on the last wreck)
Together with 3small drones

I have 2 SensorBoosters

I lock, make 3 HITS about 3900damage on the Battlecruiser, its in deep structure.

A HARBINGER THAT IS ON GRID WITH ME MAKES 280Damage, last shot, Wreck is yellow.

Same happens with Confessors, Svipuls blablabla....they CANT even outDPS me...but they get the wreck when i donĀ“t time it right.

IT IS THE ******* LAST SHOT OR THE MECHANIC IS DAMN BROKEN SOMETIMES !

SO PLEASE CCP CAN YOU GIVE US A 100% Answer on this PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Outnumbered, Outgunned You have the Choice *Overheat your MWD and fly directly into the enemy pack with Guns blazing...and then, that silent moment only one Server Tick away...

"CYNO UP, CYNO UP - JUMP JUMP JUMP - Primary is ..."

*A BRAVE HERO

Kaivarian Coste
Whale Patrol
#38 - 2016-10-22 16:10:51 UTC
^ perhaps it's just random
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#39 - 2016-10-22 16:22:14 UTC
Hendrix Foster wrote:
Only one thing to say to them....pussies.

EDIT - Doing these current event missions in a Gila or Navy battlecruiser is akin to doing level one missions in a Brutix......pathetic imo.



I suppose it's a bit like shiptoasting on an anonymous NPC alt, eh?

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Maneila Bekas
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#40 - 2016-10-22 21:17:33 UTC
a WOLF beat me 2mins ago in my 980dps Cynabal with 2 Sensor Boosters :D

So yeah, it is ******* last shot....

Outnumbered, Outgunned You have the Choice *Overheat your MWD and fly directly into the enemy pack with Guns blazing...and then, that silent moment only one Server Tick away...

"CYNO UP, CYNO UP - JUMP JUMP JUMP - Primary is ..."

*A BRAVE HERO

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