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You're groping for a grip on the narrative, but it's escaping you, sifting through your fingers like sand, like all the isk you've lost. Now all you have left is damage control. But tedious false analogies equating RMT gambling to ratting? Seriously? That's your defense? That's your hail mary to save face in the poopstorm of bad sentiment headed your way over the fact that you literally green lighted a campaign to pump isk using RMT under the auspices of a children's' charity?

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The question that I have in regards to any and all 3rd Party Gambling sites is, I know CCP has stated numerous times that they themselves will not be reimbursing those accounts that had ISK within the sites. I myself, along with a few others players, have been told the CCP won't do anything, but it's up to the DEV's. So, my question being, those not involved with the RMT, will the DEV's be reimbursing or no?

Yes. With the distinction that nobody under the age of 21 will be losing the shirt of their back in Vegas (or Atlantic City, New Orleans, the Native American gambling establishments, etc.).

It is stories like that that likely motivated CCP to blanket ban gambling sites.

Even just banning those gambling sites that RMT could be problematic....

Consider this thought experiment:

Suppose you have a billion ISK in your wallet and you go to your favorite gambling website. You end up with just 100 million ISK so you go buy a PLEX and sell it and gamble some more. You do this again and again until you have spent about $100. While the gambling site is not making RL money, the PLEX -> ISK transactions might cause a problem with State and/or Federal governments.

These governments have a number of very powerful laws they can turn too like the RICO statutes and (civil) asset forfeiture laws. The latter is extremely pernicious in that my understanding is the asset that is seized, say a car, and is accused of a crime and the standard of guilt in this case is preponderance of evidence vs. beyond a reasonable. Preponderance of evidence is a much easier standard to prove. It is a fantastic source of income for law enforcement agencies since they eventually will auction off such assets. So, if you have a couple million in assets that could be seized and those assets charged with a the crime... And the police could seize these assets before they bring any charges against CCP or someone working for CCP. Basically, they'd cut off CCP's ability to do business in the U.S.

Does anyone here seriously think CCP wants to get one of these?

More here.



Replace Valve with CCP...all those skin gambling sites with IWI, EVE Bet, etc, and skins with ISK.

Seriously, if you read that document and replace Valve/Steam with CCP, and skins with ISK and Eve online gambling sites, it is clearly a potential problem for CCP that is simply best avoided by just a blanket ban.

Oh...and fun fact, that would not stop lawsuits. If this past June-August, a kid stole Dad's credit card, ran up a $1,000 bill buying PLEX, and gambling with the resulting ISK....they could still file a lawsuit.

Oh and go read Item number 8...in other words, sites, twitch users, etc. that received ISK for IWI and other gambling sites and then in turn promoted IWI...they could risk getting sued as well if they are in the U.S. And they are currently at risk of a lawsuit as well because of the above mentioned lawsuit.

Did IWI have any sort of age verification process in place? If not...yeah, that's bad.

And even if Valve/Steam wins that lawsuit there is nothing to stop politicians from jumping on that band wagon and doing things to "fix it".

Of course BIG will not be allowed, its still a game of chance. They didn't say 'third party tool' they said 'third party', in other words nobody but CCP can run games of chance regardless of whether tools are used.

I don't see why CCP can't both be concerned about recent legal activity _and_ vexed by the frequency with which ISK gambling operations turn to RMT.

Actaully I was wrong. It isn't just RMT but it looks like the presence of PLEX makes ANY gambling site, IMO, a big fat problem for CCP. PLEX automatically means ANY gambling site involves RL money. In looking over that lawsuit I linked above it is a no-brainer, IMO, for CCP to pull the plug on this.

And if you are using youtube, twitch, etc. to promote EVE and were also promoting IWI and were getting ISK from them...yeah, you probably should be a bit worried too, IMO. You might have Grath Telkin's support, but I doubt he'll help out with any lawsuits that will come your way. Hopefully none will and CCP pulled the plug on this before it got/gets to that stage.

Of course, the idiocy of saying ratting or transferring ISK between characters is still nothing short of nonsense.

Oh, and even a CCP provided gambling service will run in to problems. Unless CCP prohibits people who are under the age of 21 (which maybe doable) and CCP prohibits people from gambling with ISK from the sale of a PLEX (that may not be doable), such gambling could run afoul of U.S. laws regarding online gambling.

Okay, to be clear here, my view was that the RMT aspect of these gambling websites brought it into conflict with U.S. laws regarding online gambling. That is, so long as it was gambling with ISK and no RL money was at all involved then there was no major issue. But PLEX pretty much puts that whole issue to rest. A PLEX is basically an RMT, an RMT that CCP managed to finesse into not really being RMT.

But from reading that lawsuit I linked above and other issues, PLEX is the real problem. So yes, you are correct in that it isn't the issue of RMT, but your argument does nothing to support Grath Telkin's postion. Nothing at all.

Gambling in EVE is essentially over, IMO. So long as we have we have PLEX it seems CCP would be wise to not allow any form of Gambling in game, out of game, etc. To do so will invite the possibility of a lawsuit and possible regulatory action by U.S. government agencies.

You suck. Your posts suck. I will literally give you ISK to shut up. If you promise to stop posting itt, & follow through by not posting for a period of 24 hours, I will gift you1 mil ISK for every day you don't post itt up to 20 days.