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Non Covert Ops Cloaky Warp Trick - Needs Fixed
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#21 - 2016-10-13 13:11:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2016-10-13 13:11:17 UTC
Gears InMotion wrote:
Title says it all.

This really seems like an exploit. A non covert-ops ship should not be able to cloak and warp to avoid being pointed.

Just my opinion.

Please discuss.


Well what about an instapop Module. It insta pops every ship you locked...... ****: you can't lock fast enough, too bad, it was such a nice wet gate camper dream...

BTW: don't feed the troll P
Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#23 - 2016-10-14 04:56:48 UTC
A good intie pilot can catch a large percentage of them but that would require said intie to be good, be prepared and have practised. As we all know, knowledge and preparation is for boring people and most people are just too cool for that.
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2016-10-14 05:19:21 UTC
Done it right and lived, done it wrong and died.

From the other side, killed some lost others.

Working as intended.

The CSM gets in the way of CCP communicating properly with the players of this game.

After all we are not just players, we are customers.

Time for the CSM to be disbanded.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2016-10-14 05:47:22 UTC
Aiwha wrote:
Its called a bubble.


Instant-lock Inties flown by competent pilots or instant-lock infini-point HICs also work, but takes some effort. There's only what? A 1 or 2 seconds window?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Alessienne Ellecon
Doomheim
#26 - 2016-10-14 06:23:14 UTC
I don't even bother with that trick. OP is a whiner.

I just use warp stabs, the bane of every ganker ever. Lots and lots of warp stabs.

"CONCORD are the space cops. If you attack someone in a high-security solar system, CONCORD will commit police brutality." - Encyclopedia Dramatica

If EVE is a PvP game, then Anti-Ganking is emergent gameplay.
Gregorius Goldstein
Queens of the Drone Age
#27 - 2016-10-14 08:07:35 UTC
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
I don't even bother with that trick. OP is a whiner.

I just use warp stabs, the bane of every ganker ever. Lots and lots of warp stabs.


Guess the OP thinks tripple stabed ventures need a fix too :)
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#28 - 2016-10-14 09:55:14 UTC
if you stopped this happening then it would only hurt smaller entities trying to move around lowsec, dst's using this in lowsec is pretty important for some people who dont fly jump freighters.

-10 for me

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
McBorsk
Multispace Technologies Inc
#29 - 2016-10-15 10:08:09 UTC
They would just change to blockade runners, it wouldn't net you any kills.
Dungheap
DHCOx
#30 - 2016-10-16 02:14:33 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
CCP endorsed mechanics. Lol


if a dev post encouraged people to use this , to be safer traveling while running the pirate arcs , and gave instructions how to replicate it , and said good luck , could that be considered endorsment ? Lol
Alessienne Ellecon
Doomheim
#31 - 2016-10-22 13:19:52 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
if you stopped this happening then it would only hurt smaller entities trying to move around lowsec, dst's using this in lowsec is pretty important for some people who dont fly jump freighters.

-10 for me


My alt stabs his DST and has just enough tank to absorb a few hits while spooling up for warp. If it's a gate camp, one touch of the MJD button and suddenly they're 100km away.

Haulers and miners need SOME means of getting to safety, otherwise PvP pilots would be too powerful and it would kill the resource and transport markets.

"CONCORD are the space cops. If you attack someone in a high-security solar system, CONCORD will commit police brutality." - Encyclopedia Dramatica

If EVE is a PvP game, then Anti-Ganking is emergent gameplay.
gnshadowninja
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2016-10-22 13:28:52 UTC
I don't mind transport ships, its when you have battleships doing it Ugh
Quenching Waters
Doomheim
#33 - 2016-10-22 21:13:22 UTC
gnshadowninja wrote:
I don't mind transport ships, its when you have battleships doing it Ugh


And you don't think the disadvantages of having a cloak fitted (scan res nerfed and sensor recal delay) don't make for a reasonable trade off? Also keep in mind the volume the cloak takes up when unfitted.
permion
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2016-10-22 23:09:33 UTC  |  Edited by: permion
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Aiwha wrote:
Its called a bubble.



Bubbles only work in Nullsec herp a derp. Using a single area of the game as a reason for balance is stupid.



But the trick is semi difficult to pull of properly, and even being slightly off pulls you into insta lock territory, It's also possible to get close enough to the cloaked ship and decloak it before it warp.


The higher the sec rating the more advantages the prey has, and this is just one of them.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#35 - 2016-10-24 21:48:55 UTC
It would really work out in my favor if they stopped that align+mwd+cloak decloak warp trick. I can see a solid argument for keeping it in though. It adds a lot of clicks to g2g navigation, and if someone 1) knows about it and 2) is willing to go to that trouble, I say give it to them. The majority of the player base isn't using that trick on a regular basis. It's a valid mechanic. It's the only way for a T1 indy to avoid high sec camps in a lot of instances. Even if they do it, it's still possible for gankers to get them... but it's a lot more expensive to do so. That push and pull represents good balance, imho.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Natural CloneKiller
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#36 - 2016-10-25 08:13:21 UTC
Gears InMotion wrote:
Title says it all.

This really seems like an exploit. A non covert-ops ship should not be able to cloak and warp to avoid being pointed.

Just my opinion.

Please discuss.


I agree with you. This needs a fix.
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