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Dev Blog: EULA Changes Coming With EVE Online: Ascension

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Pokano
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2016-10-12 14:14:29 UTC
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CCP may terminate the EULA, close all your Accounts, and cancel all rights granted to you under the EULA if: (i) you fail to pay the fees when due; your account has been inactive for a number of 90 days; (


Please elaborate on this item. What defines "inactivity"?

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Scotsman Howard
S0utherN Comfort
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#22 - 2016-10-12 14:16:19 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Good afternoon capsuleers!

Today we're here to announce some changes to the EVE Online EULA that are coming with the launch of EVE Online: Ascension.

You can read all about them in this Dev Blog, which includes a handy red-lined version of the new EULA that will come into effect on Tuesday, November 8th, 2016.


Falcon: Can you please clarify this section:


(2) Termination of EULA

CCP may terminate the EULA, close all your Accounts, and cancel all rights granted to you under the EULA if: (i) you fail to pay the fees when due; your account has been inactive for a number of 90 days;


The way I read this, you will start deleting accounts that have been unsubbed for 90 days/

Does this mean that it could be possible for some people who are no longer subbed to return to the game and have nothing? Is this planned on being an active item that is looked at regularly or just an option for CCP to utilize if they want? I know many people who have taken a break for months, but they come back because they have something to come back to.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#23 - 2016-10-12 14:16:41 UTC
CCP, you may want to make another change because of this:

"You may not use, transfer or assign any game assets for games of chance operated by third parties."

Some rules lawyers may think betting on things like AT are still OK because they are not games of chance, but games of skill.

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Akrasjel Lanate
Lanate Industries
#24 - 2016-10-12 14:16:49 UTC
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Anthar Thebess
#25 - 2016-10-12 14:18:17 UTC
What about in-game gambling.
1. There are some mailing list in a style of "win a super, buy lottery ticket" working for years.
2. What about corporate / alliance based lotteries - are they permitted?

Still good change.

You need to consider about making charity less abusable.
I don't want to feal bad contesting citadel / sov of some group that officially linked this asset to charity.
Charity is good, but i don't want to feal bad playing this game as i attack RL charity.





Avlec Meroxian
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2016-10-12 14:18:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Avlec Meroxian
Quote:
CCP may terminate the EULA, close all your Accounts, and cancel all rights granted to you under the EULA if: (i) your account has been inactive for a number of 90 days;


Pls define Inactive. i am guessing as in no one playing on it.


for currently unpaid accounts that might gete used once the alpha state comes online how long untill they are deamed inactive and gets deleted ?


if a previously paid account goes inactive will that too be deleted or is only unsubbed acounts subject to this?



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Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#27 - 2016-10-12 14:20:51 UTC
Momiji Sakora wrote:
Mr Floydy wrote:
I don't get why such a drastic change around gambling is required here... Just a bit of fun?!

As per the other poster, I'd like more clarification on this bit too:
"CCP may terminate the EULA, close all your Accounts, and cancel all rights granted to you under the EULA if: (i) ... your account has been inactive for a number of 90 days"

I'm hoping you don't really have intention to bin inactive accounts through this...


I think this is more just to keep their asses clear if they have to purge an account even if it's inactive for some reason. Or to keep on top of alpha clones that may never be used again because it's easier to just create a new one than try to remember the details of the old.


Agreed. I'm assuming it's just to cover them, but as quite a few people are mentioning this I'm hoping we can just get the statement refined to be slightly less concerning!
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2016-10-12 14:30:36 UTC
I'm positively surprised and pleased to see, that CCP is able to execute some bold changes for the better of the game.

Though I agree with the sentiment above, that purely ingame raffles or bets should be allowed.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Aspen Neva
#29 - 2016-10-12 14:40:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Aspen Neva
edit: noticed that it's not new, this comes instead of "inactive account" preiously, so it's a non-issue.

Can we have more details about "your account has been inactive for a number of 90 days;" ?
I keep on playing then taking hiatus for years, but eventually I always come back.


Congratz on terminating gambling, this was so shady. Even tho some alliance profitted a lot out of this, better late than never.
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2016-10-12 14:41:25 UTC
Aspen Neva wrote:
Can we have more details about "your account has been inactive for a number of 90 days;" ?

I keep on playing then taking hiatus for years, but eventually I always come back. So what the heck ?!


It's likely a boilerplate change to protect f2p accounts by establishing a minimum amount of time. Prior to this, the moment your account lapsed, they could do it.
Dex Cordell
EVE University
Ivy League
#31 - 2016-10-12 14:44:00 UTC
so if I read this correctly, me playing Hold'em with and for ISK is going to be shut down as well? I'm somehow failing to catch the drift here. Why would RMT require this kind of harsh measures against everyone in general, instead of applying the rules already in place to those caught breaking them, as it was till now? That's just gross...
Gustav Mannfred
Summer of Mumuit
Remember Mumuit
#32 - 2016-10-12 14:44:19 UTC
Question: Does this only affect gambling sites? or does it also affect any third party sites that use the API key of players, such as fanpages like eveger.de or the KOS checker for providence? because there you just enter your api key to verify your account and you gain full access to their services.
What is actually the reason for prohibiting gambling sites?

And to the part with multiboxing: At the moment it is possibile to multibox trial accounts if you have multiple computers, is it then against the EULA to multibox multiple alpha alts with multiple computers(one per PC)? And what happens when someone else in my household logs an alpha clone on a different computer in while I play on my omega clone?

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Cristl
#33 - 2016-10-12 14:46:10 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
I'm positively surprised and pleased to see, that CCP is able to execute some bold changes for the better of the game.

Though I agree with the sentiment above, that purely ingame raffles or bets should be allowed.

How can you ever be sure though? The banned RMT-sites were accepting real money for automatic wins in raffles etc. How could CCP ever police and check that?

To be honest we're lucky that the rat ratted, even if many of us couldn't believe otherwise long ago. That idiot that whined his butt off on Reddit that he was unfairly banned, then posted screenshots of himself winning like ten 'lotteries' on the trot for however many hundred billion. No way buddy. Get screwed.
Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#34 - 2016-10-12 14:46:43 UTC
Using red for both removed and added text is annoying. Could you change the colour of one so that it's easier to tell them apart ?

Keep the strikethrough on the removed text to make it clear that it's the text being removed.

Chan'aar wrote:
Did you just make use of 3rd party gambling sites against the EULA ?

OMG first !

After Valve were told to stop skin gambling or face punishment, I'm not surprised that CCP decided to do the same before attention was turned their way.

Tipa Riot wrote:
Though I agree with the sentiment above, that purely ingame raffles or bets should be allowed.

If the authorities enforcing gambling laws think that ISK has an out of game value, then CCP could be in trouble if any minors take part in the gambling.
Momiji Sakora
Omni Galactic
Central Omni Galactic Group
#35 - 2016-10-12 14:48:13 UTC
Dex Cordell wrote:
so if I read this correctly, me playing Hold'em with and for ISK is going to be shut down as well? I'm somehow failing to catch the drift here. Why would RMT require this kind of harsh measures against everyone in general, instead of applying the rules already in place to those caught breaking them, as it was till now? That's just gross...


I think the major bit of this is that it's cost CCP a ton of money and manhours to investigate RMT in the cases named, and others. Time and again isk gambling sites seem to slip into RMT along the way - and CCP have had to investigate. Not to mention accusations true or false on these sites having to be investigated. So why not save time and just cut them out entirely.
CCP Falcon
#36 - 2016-10-12 14:48:31 UTC
Cristl wrote:
I assume the 'we may purge accounts after 90 days of inactivity' clause is unlikely to ever be enacted, right?


This has been clarified in the OP Smile

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Aknan
BlackWatch Industrial Group
Reckless Contingency.
#37 - 2016-10-12 14:50:40 UTC
07, i will not enter in a discutions about if it's a good or a bad thing to do.

but there is some gambler out there loving gambling, doses ccp think about to introduce this mechanic in game so they can have theyr drugs^^? (like a fully working woking station with some casino !)

The other things it's that some streamer will need to make money by there own now for pvp, and some how this was promoting the game.

that's the little things i saw that could be bad for eve
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#38 - 2016-10-12 14:52:30 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Cristl wrote:
I assume the 'we may purge accounts after 90 days of inactivity' clause is unlikely to ever be enacted, right?


This has been clarified in the OP Smile

Much appreciated! I think a lot of us figured that it would be that way, but there's no shame in having a twinge of curiosity or even concern.
Dr Minx
J A V A
#39 - 2016-10-12 14:56:40 UTC
you cant blame CCP. If the gambling sites didn't RMT, they would not have been shut down, its their own fault
Janeos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2016-10-12 15:00:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Janeos
Pokano wrote:
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