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Dev Blog: EULA Changes Coming With EVE Online: Ascension

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#1 - 2016-10-12 13:31:44 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Good afternoon capsuleers!

Today we're here to announce some changes to the EVE Online EULA that are coming with the launch of EVE Online: Ascension.

You can read all about them in this Dev Blog, which includes a handy red-lined version of the new EULA that will come into effect on Tuesday, November 8th, 2016.


Updates & Clarifications:

The 90 day clause:

Our policy on inactive accounts has not changed, we have simply shortened the notice period from six months to three months due to a potentially higher volume of account creation.

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Caldari State
#2 - 2016-10-12 13:43:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Chan'aar
Did you just make use of 3rd party gambling sites against the EULA ?

OMG first !
Tactical-Retreat
#3 - 2016-10-12 13:50:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Altrue
I feel like all the bankers leaving IWI a few days/weeks ago knew/felt that this was coming. I wonder if they have been banned given that they aren't officially part of IWI anymore.

It's no surprise though, as the current legal issues that Valve is having over CSGO gambling must have raised some alarms at CCP's Legal team.

Edit: Can we have more information about that please?

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CCP may terminate the EULA, close all your Accounts, and cancel all rights granted to you under the EULA if: your account has been inactive for a number of 90 days;


This is very broad. What defines activity? Is everyone at risk? What are CCP plans regarding this change?

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#4 - 2016-10-12 13:50:37 UTC
Chan'aar wrote:
Did you just make use of 3rd party gambling sites against the EULA ?

OMG first !


All of them?
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2016-10-12 13:53:11 UTC
Yes. That's pretty explicitly what they did. My question is:

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The third party service IWANTISK has been shut down in game, and all ISK and assets have been confiscated after extensive and exhaustive investigation has brought forward compelling evidence of large-scale Real Money Trading. Permanent account suspensions have been issued against those involved.


Since money is fungible, that means every single payment IWI made came out of the pool that benefited from RMT. Will all of the ISK that was used by IWI as part of the larger framework that enabled this 'large-scale' RMT scheme be confiscated, as it would be with smaller, less systemic RMT? If not, why are people being allowed to benefit from an RMT scheme?
Circle-Of-Two
#6 - 2016-10-12 13:53:15 UTC
Would this affect lotteries too?
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2016-10-12 13:54:41 UTC
Thank you, CCP.

Everone knew it was happening, glad you took care of it.
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2016-10-12 13:54:57 UTC
Just to clarify, this doesn't make the distinction between gambling on games of chance, and betting on events? All forms of 3rd party gambling sites are affected?
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2016-10-12 13:54:58 UTC
DireNecessity wrote:
Chan'aar wrote:
Did you just make use of 3rd party gambling sites against the EULA ?

OMG first !


All of them?


KongGal wrote:
Would this affect lotteries too?



Quote:

You may not use, transfer or assign any game assets for games of chance operated by third parties.


Seems pretty clear the answer to both of those is 'yes'.

#10 - 2016-10-12 13:56:10 UTC
I assume the 'we may purge accounts after 90 days of inactivity' clause is unlikely to ever be enacted, right?
#11 - 2016-10-12 13:57:00 UTC
Will CCP add ingame gambling services that players can establish in stations themselves? Smile
Federation Uprising
#12 - 2016-10-12 13:58:06 UTC
Can you elaborate on
"You may establish more than one (1) Account for each copy of the Software licensed. You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one account at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for the Software"?

How does this relate to alpha and omega's? It is pretty clear that CCP will write some code to prevent another Eve client from being launched whenver an alpha account is running. How does this relate to VMs and containers?

If I run the second Eve account in a container or VM to circumvent the restriction, is that a EULA violation?

If so, what if I run the second Eve account on another PC, is that a EULA violation?

If so, what if I run the second Eve account on another PC with a different public IP than the first account, is that a EULA violation?

If so, what if I run the second Eve account on another PC and place it in front of a pet, is that a EULA violation?

If so, what if I run the second Eve account on another PC and place it in front of a sleeping baby, is that a EULA violation?

If so, what if I run the second Eve account on another PC and place it in front of a spouse who really isn't playing EVE, is that a EULA violation?


I don't mean to be annoying, but people are going to push this ability to multibox alpha's as far as they can just like they did with multi-input.

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#13 - 2016-10-12 13:58:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Winter Archipelago
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You may not use, transfer or assign any in game assets for games of chance operated by third parties.


In before sites pop up with large offers of ISK and goods in exchange for solving major real-world dilemmas, mathematical problems previously believed unsolvable, and scientific challenges never before dreamed of, causing a global wave of peace and prosperity to sweep across the Earth as they somehow manage to succeed.

We already have precedent with Project Discovery (shout-out to the HPA folks).

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CCP may terminate the EULA, close all your Accounts, and cancel all rights granted to you under the EULA if: (i) ... your account has been inactive for a number of 90 days


I saw nowhere else where additional constraints were mentioned with this. CCP, can you give us a rough idea of what you might be looking for with this? Will it be limited to Alpha accounts that have never subscribed, or will accounts from people who haven't played in many years be at risk?

I'm hoping and assuming that the text is just CYA legalese for some unknown point in the future that accounts need to be purged (akin to the single time that names were released from some specific types of accounts a couple years back).
#14 - 2016-10-12 14:02:27 UTC
What on earth are you doing?? I get that there are problems, but this change will kill all of the good things that are funded by those sites, like EVE NT.

Also, how completely self-serving is it that you waited to announce this until the week after they produced an AT show twice as good as the one produced by CCP? Really, did you delay the announcement just to get that last bit of betting funded community effort out before you killed them?
Federation Uprising
#15 - 2016-10-12 14:04:12 UTC
"You may not use, transfer or assign any game assets for games of chance operated by third parties."

How does this apply to corp run 50/50 lotteries? Is that still permitted to raise corp isk?

How does this apply to monthly corp prizes for various activities? ie people in corp donate prizes and corp pays them out based on "top killer gets prize X, prize Y is randomly awarded to anybody in top 10 killers, prize Z is randomly awarded to anybody with more than # solo kills, etc"

Are these corp based activities now EULA violations?

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Phoebe Freeport Republic
#16 - 2016-10-12 14:04:41 UTC
I don't get why such a drastic change around gambling is required here... Just a bit of fun?!

As per the other poster, I'd like more clarification on this bit too:
"CCP may terminate the EULA, close all your Accounts, and cancel all rights granted to you under the EULA if: (i) ... your account has been inactive for a number of 90 days"

I'm hoping you don't really have intention to bin inactive accounts through this...
Central Omni Galactic Group
#17 - 2016-10-12 14:10:28 UTC
Does this mean if I can't operate a lottery in my corporation, or pub quizzes in alliance chat with prizes?

How about if I run a lottery where I stream and chat on Twitch for ships?

I guess this latter would be more likely third party - but it's not exactly automated?
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2016-10-12 14:11:37 UTC
:smug:

~hi~

Central Omni Galactic Group
#19 - 2016-10-12 14:11:39 UTC
Mr Floydy wrote:
I don't get why such a drastic change around gambling is required here... Just a bit of fun?!

As per the other poster, I'd like more clarification on this bit too:
"CCP may terminate the EULA, close all your Accounts, and cancel all rights granted to you under the EULA if: (i) ... your account has been inactive for a number of 90 days"

I'm hoping you don't really have intention to bin inactive accounts through this...


I think this is more just to keep their asses clear if they have to purge an account even if it's inactive for some reason. Or to keep on top of alpha clones that may never be used again because it's easier to just create a new one than try to remember the details of the old.
#20 - 2016-10-12 14:12:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Darrien
I should imagine the whole 90 day things is for clearing inactive trial / alpha clones accounts. If the account has ever been subbed it's likely to be safe.

Also I wouldn't expect a definitive clarification from CCP as they would like to reserve the right as written.
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