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Dev blog: Clone States - Post CSM Summit Roundup

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Cephalosa Galactica
Korp pirates
#61 - 2016-10-09 00:17:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Cephalosa Galactica
Is it possible that this whole idea is just bad, plainly and simply horrible? Im going to kill so many alpha players is not even a number you could comprehend. As a matter of fact it will be my priority for i dont want a bunch of noobs flying around without paying while i had to pay for many years. Salty much? You bet your azz i am, this is completely aimed at bringign in new players...well i tell you. They are not gonna like a game where they can't even undock, the new event called "burn alpha" is on the way :) more content for the vets,we can even combine burn jita with burn alpha and we are good to boost the ammount of ships destroyed versus ships made...not only that, then we go ahead and raise the price of the ships they can fly lets say tenfold, and we got ourself a much bigger farm...."the alpha farm" i hate this whole clone state thing on behalf of the newbies...as an old player im gonna enjoy overpricing their ships and ganking them all and then sell them more overpriced ships...its gonna be great :)
Cephalosa Galactica
Korp pirates
#62 - 2016-10-09 00:24:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Cephalosa Galactica
Welisa Aldent wrote:
Sone i dont se any Point in subing anymore the alpha clones are gona be just fine whit out subing..

They get more and more skill they can do more and more, get acess to more and more of the game.

And we that pay for the game gona get more gankers, more mission item ninja looters, and all i se is a big - on beeing a sub atm.

Atlest they should force all alphas to have green safty on in high sec,




It doesnt matter let the alphas come...we just create a new event guys... We can call it "burn the alphas". Either they pay or they get ganked. Watch how long a new player trying to play for free will like a game where he explodes every 2.5 minutes :)
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#63 - 2016-10-09 00:48:58 UTC
Yeah.... Lets not talk about deliberately harassing new players shall we...... Kinda a bannable offence.
Cephalosa Galactica
Korp pirates
#64 - 2016-10-09 01:24:58 UTC
The lets not talk about giving away a game ive been paying for years for free
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#65 - 2016-10-09 05:09:59 UTC
Cephalosa Galactica wrote:
The lets not talk about giving away a game ive been paying for years for free

They aren't getting the game for free. They're getting a time-unlimited trial account, with slightly-looser restrictions.

Alpha skills will let them be okay within a very limited subset of activities, but to actually excel at something or to expand which horizons they can achieve, they'll have to pony up some scratch.

EVE is a big game. There's a lot to learn and a lot to take in which must be done in a very short amount of time. A two- to three-week trial account doesn't cut it. The limitations on Alpha accounts are pretty decent, and are being made specifically to let new players have a real taste of the game (which is impossible to achieve in just a few weeks) without offering them the entire thing.

Right now, you're basically crying because someone got a free bite-sized sample from a grocery kiosk while you're paying for the full box. The goal of the former is to lead to the latter, though presumably without so much whining.
Cephalosa Galactica
Korp pirates
#66 - 2016-10-09 07:01:17 UTC
Winter Archipelago wrote:
Cephalosa Galactica wrote:
The lets not talk about giving away a game ive been paying for years for free

They aren't getting the game for free. They're getting a time-unlimited trial account, with slightly-looser restrictions.

Alpha skills will let them be okay within a very limited subset of activities, but to actually excel at something or to expand which horizons they can achieve, they'll have to pony up some scratch.

EVE is a big game. There's a lot to learn and a lot to take in which must be done in a very short amount of time. A two- to three-week trial account doesn't cut it. The limitations on Alpha accounts are pretty decent, and are being made specifically to let new players have a real taste of the game (which is impossible to achieve in just a few weeks) without offering them the entire thing.

Right now, you're basically crying because someone got a free bite-sized sample from a grocery kiosk while you're paying for the full box. The goal of the former is to lead to the latter, though presumably without so much whining.



Then there shouldnt be a problem when we burn the alphas...while i cry of course, right? and then as i sob, ( from laughter) let the GM mails come in.
Anthar Thebess
#67 - 2016-10-09 12:33:45 UTC
1. EVE is a pvp game.
2. Ships are build to die.
3. You can even die now without undocking - citadels.
4. Alfa clones will die and need to be allowed to kill - stop making them special care group
5. Higsec is no special place where you are untouchable, but a place that have concord that will make you pay for the crimes.

The worst thing CCP can do is to limit PVP for alfa, or against them.
Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#68 - 2016-10-09 12:50:14 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Yeah.... Lets not talk about deliberately harassing new players shall we...... Kinda a bannable offence.

If they come out of the starter systems then I don't see why any special exceptions should be made. Otherwise we turn the game in a theme park full of entitled alpha players.
Cephalosa Galactica
Korp pirates
#69 - 2016-10-09 15:09:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Cephalosa Galactica
Moac Tor wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Yeah.... Lets not talk about deliberately harassing new players shall we...... Kinda a bannable offence.

If they come out of the starter systems then I don't see why any special exceptions should be made. Otherwise we turn the game in a theme park full of entitled alpha players.


SO my position remains the same....our group will be burning every alpha clone that leaves a newb system, we will also make sure that any ship they can fly will be overpriced tenfold... Basically they will have two choices...buy a catalyst for 30 million or go out of newb system and get ganked. :) nice gameplay for them i tell you.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Duckzer Mining Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
#70 - 2016-10-09 15:39:49 UTC
I have a question on the skill queue length of alpha accounts. Will it be "unlimited" or the current 24 hour trial account limit?

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#71 - 2016-10-09 19:46:38 UTC
Moac Tor wrote:

If they come out of the starter systems then I don't see why any special exceptions should be made. Otherwise we turn the game in a theme park full of entitled alpha players.

There is a big difference between treating them the same as everyone else (Note that SoE arc also has some degree of protection btw) & organising a deliberate sustained attack on new players. Namely that one of those is an EULA breach.


@Eternus. Based on CSM minutes it's the 24 hour trial limit (With normal long skill overflow)
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#72 - 2016-10-09 20:10:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Vald Tegor
Cephalosa Galactica wrote:

SO my position remains the same....our group will be burning every alpha clone that leaves a newb system, we will also make sure that any ship they can fly will be overpriced tenfold... Basically they will have two choices...buy a catalyst for 30 million or go out of newb system and get ganked. :) nice gameplay for them i tell you.


Good luck with that. All the more reason for them to leave highsec and join an organization that nurtures new players and provides them with free ships.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Duckzer Mining Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
#73 - 2016-10-09 20:21:38 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Moac Tor wrote:

If they come out of the starter systems then I don't see why any special exceptions should be made. Otherwise we turn the game in a theme park full of entitled alpha players.

There is a big difference between treating them the same as everyone else (Note that SoE arc also has some degree of protection btw) & organising a deliberate sustained attack on new players. Namely that one of those is an EULA breach.


@Eternus. Based on CSM minutes it's the 24 hour trial limit (With normal long skill overflow)



Thats what I figured itd be. Thanx.Big smile

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#74 - 2016-10-10 00:44:56 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Moac Tor wrote:

If they come out of the starter systems then I don't see why any special exceptions should be made. Otherwise we turn the game in a theme park full of entitled alpha players.

There is a big difference between treating them the same as everyone else (Note that SoE arc also has some degree of protection btw) & organising a deliberate sustained attack on new players. Namely that one of those is an EULA breach.


@Eternus. Based on CSM minutes it's the 24 hour trial limit (With normal long skill overflow)

Do you understand that being an alpha clone doesn't necessarily mean they are a new player... It just means they aren't paying the subscription.

There is nothing wrong with actively hunting and killing alpha clones if they are not in the starter system considering there are probably going to be thousands of them after November...
Namaan
Academy of the Unseen Arts
The Potato Alliance
#75 - 2016-10-10 04:11:25 UTC
Unless you have their API there is no way to actually know if they are an Alpha or not.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#76 - 2016-10-10 05:26:19 UTC
Namaan wrote:
Unless you have their API there is no way to actually know if they are an Alpha or not.

Actually, it will be pretty easy to know that they are not an alpha if you see them undock in a ship that is not allowed to their specific races alpha skills.

But people probably should go out of their way to shoot them. From what CCP told us, players that explode early in their Eve career are more likely to stay with the game. Certainly we should all make an effort to engage with them somehow so they don't just spend a few weeks mining in a Venture or running level 1 missions by themselves before quitting out of boredom.
CCP Cognac
C C P
C C P Alliance
#77 - 2016-10-10 11:47:59 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
I have a question on the skill queue length of alpha accounts. Will it be "unlimited" or the current 24 hour trial account limit?


24 hour.
Anthar Thebess
#78 - 2016-10-10 14:06:44 UTC
CCP Cognac wrote:
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
I have a question on the skill queue length of alpha accounts. Will it be "unlimited" or the current 24 hour trial account limit?


24 hour.

Ur evil. Lol
Andrea Cemenotar
Elena Minasse Operations
#79 - 2016-10-11 09:59:28 UTC
I have one case to aks about here:

assume a player has two omegas and one alpha and would love to be able to do thing on them simultaneusly until alpha gets funds to kick into omega

devblog states alphas being locked on character screen select if there is other instance of eve running
but does not claim omegas having same limitation

and her's bunch of questions [if asked and answered, sorry I'm a lil bit busy to search through 9 pages of feedback :/ ]
would log in alpha clone and then after havign it launched and logged in logging in on omega clones be possible
if yes would it be intended behaviour or falling into that bad exploits and EULA violations?
Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2016-10-11 11:53:57 UTC
"We agree and so we are planning to implement restrictions that keep any Alpha account from passing character select if another EVE client is already active. This will be true even if the other client is Omega. Bypassing these restrictions will also be a breach of the EULA and may lead to penalties and punishments and all that nasty stuff that our security team does if they catch you being bad."


Can you elaborate on what is considered bypassing the restrictions?

-If I run another Eve client for an alpha in a VM/container, is that against EULA?
-If I run another Eve client for an alpha on another PC in my house, is that against EULA?
-If I run another Eve client for an alpha on another PC in my house with a different public IP, is that against EULA?
-If I run another Eve client for an alpha on another PC in my house and put it in front of my wife while she watches TV, is that against EULA?
-If I run another Eve client for an alpha on 5 laptops in my house and put them in front of my wife while she watches TV, is that against EULA?


I don't mean to be annoying, but the ability to have free alpha characters doing things to help somebodies main account(s) is so powerful people are going to game the system right up until whatever line CCP draws in the sand.

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