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Question about Mining - What am I missing?

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Arronicus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2016-10-03 07:18:44 UTC
Mining, income, and safety wise is FAR better in nullsec, than high. You can even make respectable isk in a much shorter training skillframe than with ratting, but it certainly is a lot less attention intensive, and I wouldn't really recommend it long term unless there's more draw to it for you than simply the isk.
Guybertini
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#22 - 2016-10-04 20:55:32 UTC
Foxy Roxy Bastanold wrote:
Do Little wrote:
It's a while since I last flew a Procurer with T1 fit but, as I recall, you should be able to get 4 loads per hour with modest skills and a decent fit ( you didn't mention a mining laser upgrade - make sure you fit one and a damage control unit in your low slots). That's roughly 8 million ISK/hour and it really doesn't matter which ore you are mining. You need to divide the price of the ore by the m3/unit to get a normalized price. Usually the best ore to mine is Scordite. You can improve this with skills and boosts. I was averaging 6 loads per hour ice mining in a high skill Skiff with Orca boosts - that worked out to about 18 million ISK/hour at the time - not sure what ice is worth these days. It doesn't get much better than that in highsec. In low/null you can get more powerful boosts from a Rorqual.

For me, the key is multitasking. I can do most industrial activities sitting in a mining barge, just as easily as sitting in a station. PI, research, manufacturing, whatever. It's an excellent way to earn a little more ISK while doing something else on the computer if you have a spare monitor. As a manufacturer, I use the minerals from the ore I mine - which saves me the time and effort of buying them and hauling them to my base.


Thanks for the awesome info! I wasn't using a mining laser upgrade. I'm using a damage control and Micro Auxiliary Core so that I can have enough power for two strip miners. So I guess I should do the mining upgrade instead of having two strip miners. From what I've read it seems ice mining is where it's at when it comes to Money.



Also, don't forget to purchase a New Order mining permit. It's illegal to mine in James 315 high sec space without one.

http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html

As long as you have a valid permit and follow the Code you'll have a long, prosperous and legal mining career.

Fly safe. G
Curious Onlooker
LE YOLO LE SWAG LE 9GAG YOLOSWAG SWAGGER CORP YOLO
#23 - 2016-10-08 21:17:22 UTC
Guybertini wrote:
Foxy Roxy Bastanold wrote:
Do Little wrote:
It's a while since I last flew a Procurer with T1 fit but, as I recall, you should be able to get 4 loads per hour with modest skills and a decent fit ( you didn't mention a mining laser upgrade - make sure you fit one and a damage control unit in your low slots). That's roughly 8 million ISK/hour and it really doesn't matter which ore you are mining. You need to divide the price of the ore by the m3/unit to get a normalized price. Usually the best ore to mine is Scordite. You can improve this with skills and boosts. I was averaging 6 loads per hour ice mining in a high skill Skiff with Orca boosts - that worked out to about 18 million ISK/hour at the time - not sure what ice is worth these days. It doesn't get much better than that in highsec. In low/null you can get more powerful boosts from a Rorqual.

For me, the key is multitasking. I can do most industrial activities sitting in a mining barge, just as easily as sitting in a station. PI, research, manufacturing, whatever. It's an excellent way to earn a little more ISK while doing something else on the computer if you have a spare monitor. As a manufacturer, I use the minerals from the ore I mine - which saves me the time and effort of buying them and hauling them to my base.


Thanks for the awesome info! I wasn't using a mining laser upgrade. I'm using a damage control and Micro Auxiliary Core so that I can have enough power for two strip miners. So I guess I should do the mining upgrade instead of having two strip miners. From what I've read it seems ice mining is where it's at when it comes to Money.



Also, don't forget to purchase a New Order mining permit. It's illegal to mine in James 315 high sec space without one.

http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html

As long as you have a valid permit and follow the Code you'll have a long, prosperous and legal mining career.

Fly safe. G


For any prospective miners here who may not know any better, this is a scam, just like isk doubling or hangar clearout contracts, any isk you send to code is isk spent to gank you, nothing else.
Robot Robot
What.
#24 - 2016-10-10 13:21:18 UTC
I'm not too big on mining either, but more power to you if you enjoy it. I do recommend you get out of high sec at some point though, to spice up the experience a little.

There is some very good mining in wormholes.
Piugattuk
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2016-10-10 17:05:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Piugattuk
I hope this is a troll thread, mining in low sec is suicide, please don't consider it till you have much more ISK to replace your ships every hour.

Veldspar, your best stuff for mining is veldspar, in high sec there's plenty to make it perfect for an up coming mining toon, there is really nothing too special about the 'other' more valuable roids because frankly they take up more space and the difference in a boat full of that or veldspar is not worth the headache of running around looking for 'profitable' roids.

Another thing in favor of mining veldspar is if you train all related skills such as veldspar processing, mining lasers II/strip, gain reputation with an NPC Corp that has great refining equipment then your profit will be higher as you magically turn X amount of veldspar into + more Trit for a higher profit margins.

Most people rush off to mine other things before fully training properly for the stuff they will commonly be mining, just know that you are in a hated profession and should buy bpc's to replace your ships that might go boom but also already have them on hand, and please if you plan on afk'ing in belts for the love of god use a venture with civilian mining lasers and the cheapest mods possible, 2 combat drones for the occasional NPC, this way you lose near nothing (with insurance), and the ganker gets a dull kill.

But absolutely don't waste your time taking a mining barge into low sec unless your committing insurance fraud.

Unless your in a Corp there is no need to go into WH space as you will get a quick ticket home, as I said you must have a supply of mining ships on hand if you plan on doing stuff like that, and NO, you don't need a stinking mining permit.

It also helps to have happy, happy music as you mine such as https://youtu.be/_BeCUZ8igoY batoumambe habib koite
Guybertini
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#26 - 2016-10-10 18:47:11 UTC
Curious Onlooker wrote:
Guybertini wrote:
Foxy Roxy Bastanold wrote:
Do Little wrote:
It's a while since I last flew a Procurer with T1 fit but, as I recall, you should be able to get 4 loads per hour with modest skills and a decent fit ( you didn't mention a mining laser upgrade - make sure you fit one and a damage control unit in your low slots). That's roughly 8 million ISK/hour and it really doesn't matter which ore you are mining. You need to divide the price of the ore by the m3/unit to get a normalized price. Usually the best ore to mine is Scordite. You can improve this with skills and boosts. I was averaging 6 loads per hour ice mining in a high skill Skiff with Orca boosts - that worked out to about 18 million ISK/hour at the time - not sure what ice is worth these days. It doesn't get much better than that in highsec. In low/null you can get more powerful boosts from a Rorqual.

For me, the key is multitasking. I can do most industrial activities sitting in a mining barge, just as easily as sitting in a station. PI, research, manufacturing, whatever. It's an excellent way to earn a little more ISK while doing something else on the computer if you have a spare monitor. As a manufacturer, I use the minerals from the ore I mine - which saves me the time and effort of buying them and hauling them to my base.


Thanks for the awesome info! I wasn't using a mining laser upgrade. I'm using a damage control and Micro Auxiliary Core so that I can have enough power for two strip miners. So I guess I should do the mining upgrade instead of having two strip miners. From what I've read it seems ice mining is where it's at when it comes to Money.



Also, don't forget to purchase a New Order mining permit. It's illegal to mine in James 315 high sec space without one.

http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html

As long as you have a valid permit and follow the Code you'll have a long, prosperous and legal mining career.

Fly safe. G


For any prospective miners here who may not know any better, this is a scam, just like isk doubling or hangar clearout contracts, any isk you send to code is isk spent to gank you, nothing else.


OP. Please ignore this reckless disinformation spread by haters.

The CODE. alliance is an honorable institution. If you have a valid mining permit and follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct (the Code) as you mine in James 315 high sec space, you will be left in peace by ourselves.

Please note however, a permit is not a warrant guaranteeing complete safety or protection. High sec is a dangerous place, we recommend you continue to remain aware of and provision for the risk of attacks by random pirates and other non CODE. supporting reprobates who may prey on your expensive mining ship.

Please feel free to ask me any questions, I am here to help.

G


Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#27 - 2016-10-13 14:06:32 UTC
Foxy Roxy Bastanold wrote:
It takes about four times the length to fill up the Procurer VS. the Venture, so it doesn't seem to be that much of a difference.

Don't forget to factor in how much time you spend warping to and from the station with the Venture - that is decreasing your isk per hour quite a bit.

One of the best aspects of mining when you first start playing Eve is that it allows you to pull up a browser in another window and read/learn about the game while you're mining.

My recommendation is to spend training time to improve your ship defense, agility and mining modules, but don't spend the time training for an exhumer until you've dabbled in other aspects of the game like exploration and missions. Being able to play different aspects of the game is key to avoiding burnout.

Corps can be a good or bad experience depending on who you join, so don't be put off of doing things on your own for a while if you prefer.

Welcome to Eve.
Iferie
Third Coast Logistics
#28 - 2016-10-13 18:27:19 UTC
If you can, I would get out of The Forge and The Citadel regions. 70 percent of the hi sec barge kills I see are out of those regions. Being a hop, skip, and jump out of Jita has its drawbacks. A quiet .5 or .6 backwater can work very well if there's a citadel in system with public compression available. The belts tend to be less worked over and thus have enough ore other than veldspar to ensure you're not losing efficiency on frequent partial cycles. Low traffic also makes it easier to keep track of who 'lives' in the system and constellation and thus easier to tell when an unknown shows up in local.

As for CODE, you can usually count on seeing a few people complaining that they were attacked after paying the extortion fee in the mining and industry channels every day. I've personally seen them dive into an ice spawn with suicide catalysts without a word said and atleast one of barges present had paid. So my advice on that front is to just not risk it and go do something else if you see them in local.
Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY
Solyaris Chtonium
#29 - 2016-10-13 22:30:53 UTC
Iferie wrote:
If you can, I would get out of The Forge and The Citadel regions. 70 percent of the hi sec barge kills I see are out of those regions. Being a hop, skip, and jump out of Jita has its drawbacks. A quiet .5 or .6 backwater can work very well if there's a citadel in system with public compression available. The belts tend to be less worked over and thus have enough ore other than veldspar to ensure you're not losing efficiency on frequent partial cycles. Low traffic also makes it easier to keep track of who 'lives' in the system and constellation and thus easier to tell when an unknown shows up in local.

As for CODE, you can usually count on seeing a few people complaining that they were attacked after paying the extortion fee in the mining and industry channels every day. I've personally seen them dive into an ice spawn with suicide catalysts without a word said and atleast one of barges present had paid. So my advice on that front is to just not risk it and go do something else if you see them in local.


Simply having a permit is not enough, you also need to stay at your keyboard and fit a proper tank. Ive seen and heard of CODE honoring their permits, so its not a complete waste.
Arronicus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2016-10-17 19:46:56 UTC
Iferie wrote:
If you can, I would get out of The Forge and The Citadel regions. 70 percent of the hi sec barge kills I see are out of those regions. Being a hop, skip, and jump out of Jita has its drawbacks. A quiet .5 or .6 backwater can work very well if there's a citadel in system with public compression available. The belts tend to be less worked over and thus have enough ore other than veldspar to ensure you're not losing efficiency on frequent partial cycles. Low traffic also makes it easier to keep track of who 'lives' in the system and constellation and thus easier to tell when an unknown shows up in local.

As for CODE, you can usually count on seeing a few people complaining that they were attacked after paying the extortion fee in the mining and industry channels every day. I've personally seen them dive into an ice spawn with suicide catalysts without a word said and atleast one of barges present had paid. So my advice on that front is to just not risk it and go do something else if you see them in local.


That's because mining permits are the biggest running joke in Eve. Code knows they're a joke, every older player knows they're a joke, they just continually sucker in naive players who don't quite understand that scamming is allowed in Eve. Buying a mining permit is like buying a lottery ticket without picking any numbers.
Guybertini
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#31 - 2016-10-17 20:59:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Guybertini
Arronicus wrote:
Iferie wrote:
If you can, I would get out of The Forge and The Citadel regions. 70 percent of the hi sec barge kills I see are out of those regions. Being a hop, skip, and jump out of Jita has its drawbacks. A quiet .5 or .6 backwater can work very well if there's a citadel in system with public compression available. The belts tend to be less worked over and thus have enough ore other than veldspar to ensure you're not losing efficiency on frequent partial cycles. Low traffic also makes it easier to keep track of who 'lives' in the system and constellation and thus easier to tell when an unknown shows up in local.

As for CODE, you can usually count on seeing a few people complaining that they were attacked after paying the extortion fee in the mining and industry channels every day. I've personally seen them dive into an ice spawn with suicide catalysts without a word said and atleast one of barges present had paid. So my advice on that front is to just not risk it and go do something else if you see them in local.


That's because mining permits are the biggest running joke in Eve. Code knows they're a joke, every older player knows they're a joke, they just continually sucker in naive players who don't quite understand that scamming is allowed in Eve. Buying a mining permit is like buying a lottery ticket without picking any numbers.


*Sigh* haters gonna hate I guess.

Do you have personal experience where a permit was not honored? If you do I would suggest the permit was more than likely revoked and the illegal mining ship duly atomized because the miner was not following the Code, whilst mining in High Sec, as he (or she) is obligated to as a valid permit holder.

The CODE. alliance has highly trained diplomats who investigate complaints, leaving no stone unturned, about claims of unjustified permit revocations. On the (very rare) occasions where such permit revocations were found to be in error, the miner has been fully reimbursed for the loss of his (or her) mining ship and cargo.

If you do not have first hand experience of which you claim, can I please ask you desist from spreading egregiously malicious and totally false rumors.

Thanks for your attention. G

Edited for spelling. G
Darryn Lowe
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2016-10-18 07:47:46 UTC
I'm going to throw my two cents in here.

If you go ice mining then might I suggest using an Endurance?

It's just up from a Venture yes but it's only a few seconds slower at mining ice than a Skiff even with the changes CCP just made.

It's very fast due to being a frigate and in my not so humble opinion is just a fun ship to fly.

Skiff though for mining ore. Hands down.
Arronicus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2016-10-19 19:32:29 UTC
Guybertini wrote:
Arronicus wrote:
Iferie wrote:
If you can, I would get out of The Forge and The Citadel regions. 70 percent of the hi sec barge kills I see are out of those regions. Being a hop, skip, and jump out of Jita has its drawbacks. A quiet .5 or .6 backwater can work very well if there's a citadel in system with public compression available. The belts tend to be less worked over and thus have enough ore other than veldspar to ensure you're not losing efficiency on frequent partial cycles. Low traffic also makes it easier to keep track of who 'lives' in the system and constellation and thus easier to tell when an unknown shows up in local.

As for CODE, you can usually count on seeing a few people complaining that they were attacked after paying the extortion fee in the mining and industry channels every day. I've personally seen them dive into an ice spawn with suicide catalysts without a word said and atleast one of barges present had paid. So my advice on that front is to just not risk it and go do something else if you see them in local.


That's because mining permits are the biggest running joke in Eve. Code knows they're a joke, every older player knows they're a joke, they just continually sucker in naive players who don't quite understand that scamming is allowed in Eve. Buying a mining permit is like buying a lottery ticket without picking any numbers.


*Sigh* haters gonna hate I guess.

Do you have personal experience where a permit was not honored? If you do I would suggest the permit was more than likely revoked and the illegal mining ship duly atomized because the miner was not following the Code, whilst mining in High Sec, as he (or she) is obligated to as a valid permit holder.

The CODE. alliance has highly trained diplomats who investigate complaints, leaving no stone unturned, about claims of unjustified permit revocations. On the (very rare) occasions where such permit revocations were found to be in error, the miner has been fully reimbursed for the loss of his (or her) mining ship and cargo.

If you do not have first hand experience of which you claim, can I please ask you desist from spreading egregiously malicious and totally false rumors.

Thanks for your attention. G

Edited for spelling. G


I will absolutely desist from spreading false rumors, the moment I start one. The indisputable fact of the matter (despite your thorough attempts to conceal the malicious behaviours of your group of scammers and gankers) is that CODE will gank any miner or any hauler that they perceive to be an easy or worthwhile target, regardless of whether the miner has donated to CODE's ganking efforts in the form of the mining permit scam. Have I personally been ganked by CODE after buying a permit? Of course not. Why? The same reason I don't buy bridges from homeless people. I live with common sense, and think before throwing my money away. I'm not uncharitable, I give money away, I help other players out, I donate, but I don't buy into obvious scams, nor should anyone else, and CODE is nothing more than one of the most persistent scams in Eve.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2016-10-20 00:49:19 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Mining, income, and safety wise is FAR better in nullsec, than high. You can even make respectable isk in a much shorter training skillframe than with ratting, but it certainly is a lot less attention intensive, and I wouldn't really recommend it long term unless there's more draw to it for you than simply the isk.


Cant beat the safey of a skiff in highsec.
Guybertini
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#35 - 2016-10-20 17:17:43 UTC
Arronicus wrote:

I will absolutely desist from spreading false rumors, the moment I start one. The indisputable fact of the matter (despite your thorough attempts to conceal the malicious behaviours of your group of scammers and gankers) is that CODE will gank any miner or any hauler that they perceive to be an easy or worthwhile target, regardless of whether the miner has donated to CODE's ganking efforts in the form of the mining permit scam. Have I personally been ganked by CODE after buying a permit? Of course not. Why? The same reason I don't buy bridges from homeless people. I live with common sense, and think before throwing my money away. I'm not uncharitable, I give money away, I help other players out, I donate, but I don't buy into obvious scams, nor should anyone else, and CODE is nothing more than one of the most persistent scams in Eve.
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As I have already stated above. For any instances where a legal permit holder has been incorrectly ganked, that you are personally aware of, please contact the CODE. diplomatic outreach program (your local CODE. representative can provide details) . A comprehensive investigation with be initiated and full remediation will be offered for any proven instances of mistaken permit revocation.

Without you offering any proof supporting your malicious accusations aimed at CODE. I can only repeat my categorization of your comments as hearsay.

Fly safe. G
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