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Dev blog: Mining Foreman Revolution

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#81 - 2016-10-05 08:41:56 UTC
Personally, I'd have toned down the drone buff a little and achieved the higher yields through introducing medium and heavy mining drones.


  • Reduce the output of small mining drones (the T2 will be buffed back to current capacity through Mining Drone Specialisation)
  • Introduce medium mining drones, with output 25% higher than current "mining drone i"
  • Add the proposed Excavator at the top end


Ideally a flight of 5 T2 drones flown by an all-5 pilot should be equivalent to a T2 mining laser + T2 crystal of the equivalent size in terms of theoretical maximum ore per minute (not counting travel time). Thus small drones vs mining laser, medium drones vs strip miner. Mining Laser or Mining Drone upgrade modules come after that.

All this is nice to have of course, whichever way you end up tweaking ships and modules.

I'd still like mining to be a different activity to what it currently is: warping to a bookmark, extracting ore from asteroids that spawn in exactly the same place every day, to the point that I already know which asteroids are the optimal targets to mine and have given them names.

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Gou Litvyak
Doomheim
#82 - 2016-10-05 09:17:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Gou Litvyak
Tyberius Franklin wrote:


A max yield fit Rorq without an industrial core outmines an unboosted hulk.
A max yield fit Rorq without an industrial core is outmined by a max boosted hulk.


But to get max boosts you have to deploy the core, dont you? So if you have to deploy it to outmine hulks, and can use the rorqs large cargo to not have to haul. In the end the question is the same. Why even bring exhumers to mining when the Rorq is just plain better? At this rate they might just ditch the mining drones for remote piloted exhumer drones controlled by the rorq.
Lavayar
Haidamaky
UA Fleets
#83 - 2016-10-05 10:19:01 UTC
CCPlz remove ship maintenance bay restrictions in Rorqual.
It will be nice to have an opportunity to board combat ship from bay and participate in defence of Rorqual.
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#84 - 2016-10-05 11:25:32 UTC
Thanks for the feedback so far everyone.

A couple quick answers to questions we see coming up multiple times:

  • We're not planning on changing the restrictions on what ships are allowed into the Rorq SMB at this time. The concern with removing the restrictions is that it would become too powerful combined with the increased jump range.
  • The mining foreman ships won't have any ability to mine gas or mercoxit at this time. You'll want to use other ships for mining those substances.

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Penance Toralen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#85 - 2016-10-05 12:30:32 UTC
Can the skill Mining Drone Specialization, be released in advance of the drone units so that it is possible to hit the ground running for the November release?
Galinius Valgani
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2016-10-05 13:34:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Galinius Valgani
Penance Toralen wrote:
Can the skill Mining Drone Specialization, be released in advance of the drone units so that it is possible to hit the ground running for the November release?



Since the new Skill will only affect the new Rorqual uber Drones this will only be useful if these Blueprints are released in advance as well?!

And since the new Ice Mining Drones take 50m3 bandwith...is there any ship able to field more than 2 now?
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#87 - 2016-10-05 13:39:21 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Thanks for the feedback so far everyone.

A couple quick answers to questions we see coming up multiple times:

  • We're not planning on changing the restrictions on what ships are allowed into the Rorq SMB at this time. The concern with removing the restrictions is that it would become too powerful combined with the increased jump range.
  • The mining foreman ships won't have any ability to mine gas or mercoxit at this time. You'll want to use other ships for mining those substances.


Apply a jump range nerf while carrying them maybe?

If Rorq's are going to be out in belt, having them loaded with a few combat ships would be a big boon. You might actually encourage miners to train some combat skills rather than sit and die when bubbled by a dictor.
Gou Litvyak
Doomheim
#88 - 2016-10-05 13:45:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Gou Litvyak
Wouldnt it be more fun to make the Rorq/Orca literal mining foreman ships?

The new boosts can stay as they are, but have the rorq/orcas drones haul ore from linked exhumers instead of mining, and make a new mining foreman interface for the Rorq/Orca which logs the amount and variety of ore it collected from each exhumer/pilot, which can be output along with the API or clipboard to external spreadsheets for payouts etc. The Rorq can ofc actively compress the ore it collects if it is deployed.

And have a fleet ore storage in the Rorq/(maybe not the Orca), which haulers can collect all the ore from.


Wasnt mining supposed to become more of a fleet OP anyways?
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#89 - 2016-10-05 15:18:48 UTC
How about a thread for Mining Drone feedback and suggestions? Also, any plans for a gas mining drone?
Gevlin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#90 - 2016-10-05 16:27:08 UTC
I always wanted a done based mining ship. Never thought it would be the command ship.

So I am happy.

I am going to be that fool in a mining fleet with a Rorqual with the ore compression module on that is going to get ganked over and over and over again.

See you on the kill boards.

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships
Arkoth 24
Doomheim
#91 - 2016-10-05 16:44:26 UTC
Correct me if i'm wrong, but command boost is like ship with huge electroncs modules and hi-speed CPU on board take a part of calculation and tactical jobs for it's fleet-mates' ships, and therefore upgrades fleet's capabilities.

So how these electronics may consume ammo and be time-based instead of working constantly?

I'm sure there may be some good (or bad) lore explanation made, but for now it looks like you're killing logic for mechanics' needs.

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Ch3rubim
Endgegner.
Pandemic Horde
#92 - 2016-10-05 17:23:52 UTC
as an indunstry corporation we have a permanent shortage on tritanium and sitting on a load of pyerites. Prove me wrong but in Omist and surrounding regions there is no way to get rid of pyerites in a usefull way (and u can't export it on mass due low costs on the mineral itself), other regions have the opposite. A fair proposal would be to introduce several bpo for the same burst charges having different material requirements for construction.



the rorqual itself use way too much heavy water per cycle... as of now it use like 560 units, as if next update rorqual burns 6 times more heavy water... means if we going to use rorquals in our corporation we need to buff up mining frequency from 2 ice belts a week to 4 ice belts a week.
It truely as an idea u wanna have bigger boost, get bigger fleet to fuel up the rorqual otherwise although having awesome boost u loose ISK in proccess due maintainance costs...and of previous speakers said there is no ore anomalies big enough to sustain such a mining op needed to run rorqual fleets efficiently

I although observe trillions on Liquid Ozone being stockpiled every ice mining operation due quite no usage (every month u use like a 10th to a 15en of the load u mined infront ) . So if u wanna set the world on fire, u will still have more Liquid Ozone than u can cope with
Ollyander
Caliburn Ghast
#93 - 2016-10-05 17:51:17 UTC
I notice there was no response on the question about the removal of the 15% m3 boost from the implant. Nothing to compensate for that loss? Just saying, mining drones make up the difference?
Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#94 - 2016-10-05 18:16:47 UTC
did a quick scan - am i the only one wanting to know if the options for mining drones to auto mine have been made better. before you had to lock the target. It would be nice to see something that has them go after the closest ore unless locked and ordered to go after another.

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Tribal Trogdor
Doomheim
#95 - 2016-10-05 18:33:44 UTC
WIll mining drone rigs affect the rorqual drones?
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2016-10-05 19:18:18 UTC
Gou Litvyak wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:


A max yield fit Rorq without an industrial core outmines an unboosted hulk.
A max yield fit Rorq without an industrial core is outmined by a max boosted hulk.


But to get max boosts you have to deploy the core, dont you? So if you have to deploy it to outmine hulks, and can use the rorqs large cargo to not have to haul. In the end the question is the same. Why even bring exhumers to mining when the Rorq is just plain better? At this rate they might just ditch the mining drones for remote piloted exhumer drones controlled by the rorq.
Same reason stated already, fitted hulks don't cost 2-3bill each and don't have to lock themselves in place for full benefit.
Gou Litvyak
Doomheim
#97 - 2016-10-05 20:25:05 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Same reason stated already, fitted hulks don't cost 2-3bill each and don't have to lock themselves in place for full benefit.


But to get full benefit of the links to normal exhumers etc. you have to lock in the rorqual anyways, is my point.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2016-10-05 20:30:22 UTC
Gou Litvyak wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Same reason stated already, fitted hulks don't cost 2-3bill each and don't have to lock themselves in place for full benefit.


But to get full benefit of the links to normal exhumers etc. you have to lock in the rorqual anyways, is my point.

The Rorq yes, the hulks no. Also the Rorq is still the best boosting ship even without the core.
Ivan Beer
Thistles and Thorns
#99 - 2016-10-06 01:16:22 UTC
Hello,

I am just asking a quick question here, and do not have all the time in the world to check or read all the information available here and in other places.

Question: are the expedition class ships in the Ore tree being left out(?) If so, why?

I thank you,

Ivan Beer
TomyLobo
U2EZ
#100 - 2016-10-06 02:16:02 UTC
This change is good for wh space where time is key. Mining has been far better in null with local for intel and just as good ores to mine. With this change, maybe a few rorquals will be out mining in wh space from time to time.