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[November] Introducing the Porpoise

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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#21 - 2016-10-04 19:08:36 UTC
what is the reason you would use a barge over this ship?

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#22 - 2016-10-04 19:09:14 UTC
Again you've missed the mark CCP by nerfing the fitting options.
If this thing is a BC (Which it's raw hull EHP suggests) it should have a slot layout something like 7/6/4.
Even if it is considered a cruiser for fitting and a BC for handling because of industry it should still have 5/5/4.
It should have some built in weapon options for the highs, unbonused of course but that's fine, 3/4 turret/launcher hardpoints.
And it's PG/CPU should be more around 1250/500. So it can actually fit things like Prop mods.

Also it will never have the cap to actually use Shield Transfers for more than about 15-30 seconds. It might have very slightly more cap than an osprey, but 1/4 the recharge speed. It also has no bonuses to cap use (Compared to -25%), no bonus to amount repped (Compared to +200%), and no fall off bonuses (Compared to 430% falloff bonuses).

You need to stop treating industrial vessels as a second class line of ships and give them actual fittings comparable to other ships of their size, otherwise miners will continue to feel targeted and players will continue to treat them as second class citizens since you make them so.
Samsara Nolte
Untethered
Almost Competent
#23 - 2016-10-04 19:10:35 UTC
As was asked before -

Is the Porpoise able to fit gas harvester ? - it has 4 High Slots but it is nowhere to find if those highslot´s are turret slots.
This is a really important question, because wormholer usually are mining more gas than ore and if this ship has to be on grid to boost but can´t mine gas it is not totally usesless but it comes close.
pretty much the same argument regarding the Rorqual can be used here for gas mining ... it has to be worth it to place on grid.
Not done my math but if it can´t mine there probably have to be around 5+ ships able to gas harvest before it is rewarding to use this ship ... and since it will be a lot easier to catch than ventures and prospects there has to be a reason to do so.

Oh - and why aren´t there any drones to mine gas ?
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#24 - 2016-10-04 19:12:18 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
what is the reason you would use a barge over this ship?

Volume mined.
Jack Haakaari
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2016-10-04 19:13:54 UTC
Joten Koldani wrote:
But can it mine gas?



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Allan 'Gopher' Green
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#26 - 2016-10-04 19:27:36 UTC
Fleet Hangar: 5000m3

I feel this is a bit small, as even the smallest barge hold can hold 12,000m3. it will be a continuous chore to keep moving ore out of the fleet hangar, with the fleet queuing up trying to dump their ore( only 2 barges will stress the 5,000 limit). I think 20,000m3 would be more suited, without over doing it ( still 50% of pre update Orca).
Vincenzo Arbosa
Locust Assets
#27 - 2016-10-04 19:52:06 UTC
I like the look. I've always been a fan of the industrial-looking Noctis though.

Icarus Narcissus wrote:
I would love to see gas mining drones -- especially for this ship in wormhole space.

I think they'd see a lot more use here than on Orcas/Rorquals thanks to their low mass.


Yes. This would be excellent. Add another skill tree like the ice drones.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#28 - 2016-10-04 19:53:41 UTC
Allan 'Gopher' Green wrote:
Fleet Hangar: 5000m3

I feel this is a bit small, as even the smallest barge hold can hold 12,000m3. it will be a continuous chore to keep moving ore out of the fleet hangar, with the fleet queuing up trying to dump their ore( only 2 barges will stress the 5,000 limit). I think 20,000m3 would be more suited, without over doing it ( still 50% of pre update Orca).

If you are running a significant number of barges the orca is actually the tool you want.
The Porpoise is more suited to working with a small fleet of ventures.
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#29 - 2016-10-04 19:57:29 UTC
Ore hold on the Porpoise is 50,000 M3 per the devblog same as the current Orca.

Cargo Hold: 500 m3
Ore Hold: 50,000 m3
Fleet Hangar: 5,000 m3

This seems reasonable for a small mining op where you can easily fly to a Station/Citadel and unload.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#30 - 2016-10-04 20:06:15 UTC
i think 980 m/3 a min is a bit high that puts it right next to a proc but with a huge hold. I don't see why i would use a proc or a ret when i could just use this
Goati
Doomheim
#31 - 2016-10-04 20:06:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Goati
3 things important things.

1. The mining drone bonuses are to yield, meaning they are useless for ice mining drones. Is this intentional or an oversight? I am guessing intentional, as the Orca has a drone yield bonus and a drone ice cycling bonus.

2. I'm dissapointed by the low number of slots. 2 low slots and 4 mid for a battlecruiser is a joke. This ship will be too easily suicide ganked.

3. If the yield is as good as a barge, why would anyone mine in a barge when they can just use a porpoise with it's mega size 50k m3 ore hold? Better to use a porpoise and go afk.
HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
#32 - 2016-10-04 20:10:58 UTC
Wow, this ship will replace the Mackinaw.
Bigger ore hangar, ice harvester drones... perfect
Allan 'Gopher' Green
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2016-10-04 20:13:08 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Allan 'Gopher' Green wrote:
Fleet Hangar: 5000m3

I feel this is a bit small, as even the smallest barge hold can hold 12,000m3. it will be a continuous chore to keep moving ore out of the fleet hangar, with the fleet queuing up trying to dump their ore( only 2 barges will stress the 5,000 limit). I think 20,000m3 would be more suited, without over doing it ( still 50% of pre update Orca).

If you are running a significant number of barges the orca is actually the tool you want.
The Porpoise is more suited to working with a small fleet of ventures.



for newer players training the skills for an Orca takes a long time so i think the porpoise will see action with barges ( also a lot cheaper to loose a porpoise). However I do accept the point you make although even two ventures hold double the Fleet hangar capacity. cargo hold and ore hold capacity I have no issue with, its just the fleet hangar for logistic purposes.
Elenahina
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2016-10-04 20:13:58 UTC
Goati wrote:


3. If the yield is as good as a barge, why would anyone mine in a barge when they can just use a porpoise with it's mega size 50k m3 ore hold? Better to use a porpoise and go afk.


Personally, I am looking forward to the gleeful laughing of CORE agents as they pop AFK porpoise pilots left right and center.

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Knitram Relik
Atomic Amish
#35 - 2016-10-04 20:24:46 UTC
Am I missing something? I thought strip miners could only be fit on barges/exhumers. Why does everyone think they can mine with this?

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Allan 'Gopher' Green
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#36 - 2016-10-04 20:30:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Allan 'Gopher' Green
Knitram Relik wrote:
Am I missing something? I thought strip miners could only be fit on barges/exhumers. Why does everyone think they can mine with this?


New and improved mining drones.

Max Mining Yield: ~980m3 per minute + drone travel time
Blastil
Aideron Robotics
#37 - 2016-10-04 20:36:40 UTC
looking at this right off the bat, I'm going to say I'm excited for the porpoise and I'm not even an industrialist.

A logi ship with slightly reduced range, but an extra 400 ish DPS from drones? Ill allow it. I'm seeing it now: Gila fleets backed by porpoises.
Aliana Heartborne
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2016-10-04 20:43:49 UTC
Allan 'Gopher' Green wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Allan 'Gopher' Green wrote:
Fleet Hangar: 5000m3

I feel this is a bit small, as even the smallest barge hold can hold 12,000m3. it will be a continuous chore to keep moving ore out of the fleet hangar, with the fleet queuing up trying to dump their ore( only 2 barges will stress the 5,000 limit). I think 20,000m3 would be more suited, without over doing it ( still 50% of pre update Orca).

If you are running a significant number of barges the orca is actually the tool you want.
The Porpoise is more suited to working with a small fleet of ventures.



for newer players training the skills for an Orca takes a long time so i think the porpoise will see action with barges ( also a lot cheaper to loose a porpoise). However I do accept the point you make although even two ventures hold double the Fleet hangar capacity. cargo hold and ore hold capacity I have no issue with, its just the fleet hangar for logistic purposes.


Except porpoise has the same 18 day skilltime, because industrial command ships. It's just a cheap alternative, not entrylevel in terms of skill
Lugh Crow-Slave
#39 - 2016-10-04 20:51:27 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Bienator II wrote:
what is the reason you would use a barge over this ship?

Volume mined.


according to the blog its barley 2m/s less than a proc so not that much :/
XxUltradmbxX
ANGST.
Initiative Mercenaries
#40 - 2016-10-04 21:00:22 UTC
is Max Mining Yield with rigs and harvester drones ? or empty max skilled hull with t2 drones?