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Question about Mining - What am I missing?

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Foxy Roxy Bastanold
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2016-09-26 18:21:59 UTC
So I really like the idea of having a mining career. I'd like to get a Hulk at some point. I managed to get enough money to purchase a Procurer and some decent fittings. After mining in a Venture for a few months I thought spending 25 million on a new ship would be a huge step forward in my game. My loot from the Venture would be about 500,000 per trip, mining in hi-sec. My haul from the Procurer is about 1.5 to 2 million per haul. But here's the thing... It takes about four times the length to fill up the Procurer VS. the Venture, so it doesn't seem to be that much of a difference. I realize that I could have better fittings on my Procurer to speed things up and there are always skills, but in general, am I missing something? I'm wondering now that I have a better ship if I should be mining in low sec or ice mining? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
SurrenderMonkey
The Exchange Collective
Solyaris Chtonium
#2 - 2016-09-26 18:48:06 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Foxy Roxy Bastanold wrote:
So I really like the idea of having a mining career. I'd like to get a Hulk at some point. I managed to get enough money to purchase a Procurer and some decent fittings. After mining in a Venture for a few months I thought spending 25 million on a new ship would be a huge step forward in my game. My loot from the Venture would be about 500,000 per trip, mining in hi-sec. My haul from the Procurer is about 1.5 to 2 million per haul. But here's the thing... It takes about four times the length to fill up the Procurer VS. the Venture, so it doesn't seem to be that much of a difference. I realize that I could have better fittings on my Procurer to speed things up and there are always skills, but in general, am I missing something? I'm wondering now that I have a better ship if I should be mining in low sec or ice mining? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!



Any post like this is incomplete without posting your fit.

That said...

If you go to low sec in your "better" ship it is going to explode and you are going to be sad.

Low sec mining is not terribly lucrative and you would probably be better off finding an ore anomaly in high sec that has low-sec ore.

Also, while I am sure it is not what you want to hear, I feel obligated to suggest that you abandon mining entirely, as a career as a miner is probably the single shortest path to boredom, and then quitting.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

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Foxy Roxy Bastanold
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2016-09-26 19:09:09 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Foxy Roxy Bastanold wrote:
So I really like the idea of having a mining career. I'd like to get a Hulk at some point. I managed to get enough money to purchase a Procurer and some decent fittings. After mining in a Venture for a few months I thought spending 25 million on a new ship would be a huge step forward in my game. My loot from the Venture would be about 500,000 per trip, mining in hi-sec. My haul from the Procurer is about 1.5 to 2 million per haul. But here's the thing... It takes about four times the length to fill up the Procurer VS. the Venture, so it doesn't seem to be that much of a difference. I realize that I could have better fittings on my Procurer to speed things up and there are always skills, but in general, am I missing something? I'm wondering now that I have a better ship if I should be mining in low sec or ice mining? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!



Any post like this is incomplete without posting your fit.

That said...

If you go to low sec in your "better" ship it is going to explode and you are going to be sad.

Low sec mining is not terribly lucrative and you would probably be better off finding an ore anomaly in high sec that has low-sec ore.

Also, while I am sure it is not what you want to hear, I feel obligated to suggest that you abandon mining entirely, as a career as a miner is probably the single shortest path to boredom, and then quitting.


I'm using two strip miner 1s, 4 mining drones and a bunch of shield buffs. Thanks for the suggestion about the anomaly. I've been told that mining is a very boring career patch since day one. It doesn't bother me. I play while I do work on the computer.
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#4 - 2016-09-26 20:54:47 UTC
It's a while since I last flew a Procurer with T1 fit but, as I recall, you should be able to get 4 loads per hour with modest skills and a decent fit ( you didn't mention a mining laser upgrade - make sure you fit one and a damage control unit in your low slots). That's roughly 8 million ISK/hour and it really doesn't matter which ore you are mining. You need to divide the price of the ore by the m3/unit to get a normalized price. Usually the best ore to mine is Scordite. You can improve this with skills and boosts. I was averaging 6 loads per hour ice mining in a high skill Skiff with Orca boosts - that worked out to about 18 million ISK/hour at the time - not sure what ice is worth these days. It doesn't get much better than that in highsec. In low/null you can get more powerful boosts from a Rorqual.

For me, the key is multitasking. I can do most industrial activities sitting in a mining barge, just as easily as sitting in a station. PI, research, manufacturing, whatever. It's an excellent way to earn a little more ISK while doing something else on the computer if you have a spare monitor. As a manufacturer, I use the minerals from the ore I mine - which saves me the time and effort of buying them and hauling them to my base.
Foxy Roxy Bastanold
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2016-09-26 21:27:46 UTC
Do Little wrote:
It's a while since I last flew a Procurer with T1 fit but, as I recall, you should be able to get 4 loads per hour with modest skills and a decent fit ( you didn't mention a mining laser upgrade - make sure you fit one and a damage control unit in your low slots). That's roughly 8 million ISK/hour and it really doesn't matter which ore you are mining. You need to divide the price of the ore by the m3/unit to get a normalized price. Usually the best ore to mine is Scordite. You can improve this with skills and boosts. I was averaging 6 loads per hour ice mining in a high skill Skiff with Orca boosts - that worked out to about 18 million ISK/hour at the time - not sure what ice is worth these days. It doesn't get much better than that in highsec. In low/null you can get more powerful boosts from a Rorqual.

For me, the key is multitasking. I can do most industrial activities sitting in a mining barge, just as easily as sitting in a station. PI, research, manufacturing, whatever. It's an excellent way to earn a little more ISK while doing something else on the computer if you have a spare monitor. As a manufacturer, I use the minerals from the ore I mine - which saves me the time and effort of buying them and hauling them to my base.


Thanks for the awesome info! I wasn't using a mining laser upgrade. I'm using a damage control and Micro Auxiliary Core so that I can have enough power for two strip miners. So I guess I should do the mining upgrade instead of having two strip miners. From what I've read it seems ice mining is where it's at when it comes to Money.
Raker Plaude
Hell Too
Villore Accords
#6 - 2016-09-26 22:19:44 UTC
Foxy Roxy Bastanold wrote:
Thanks for the awesome info! I wasn't using a mining laser upgrade. I'm using a damage control and Micro Auxiliary Core so that I can have enough power for two strip miners. So I guess I should do the mining upgrade instead of having two strip miners. From what I've read it seems ice mining is where it's at when it comes to Money.


Ice mining is a little more skill intensive and I'd suggest, if you are enjoying mining, working towards that. There are a lot of generic skills that will help with your mining to start with that will also help out with ice mining.

The main thing to work on is to start having a look at what sort of ship that you'd like to fly (for the ice mining, for example) then work those skills into your training queue. It's a good idea to also maybe look up some of the 'core skills' training guides as there are a lot of skills that might not seem important but will help you tremendously. For example, improving the amount of CPU and Power Grid (PG) that you have available will allow you to get rid of modules that boost that, giving you freed slots for other things.

Don't listen to anyone that tells you that you should give up mining and go into something else. Sure, it's not the most exciting, but it is a steady stream of ISK and I always enjoyed building my ships from ores that I've mined myself.

Check out a program called EFT (EVE Fitting Tool) as that will help you choose some suitable fits which will, in turn, help guide your skill queue. It will also be easier for others to help you as your fits are always going to be in a consistent format that everyone can copy/paste into these sorts of programs.

Good luck!
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#7 - 2016-09-26 23:32:17 UTC
It's hard to imagine how a Procurer can run out of power grid. I suspect you are doing something unreasonable in your mid slots.
EFT has not been updated for the recent barge updates but this fit has loads of fitting headroom with minimal skills:

[Procurer, Procurer]
IFFA Compact Damage Control
Mining Laser Upgrade I

Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
ML-3 Scoped Survey Scanner

Strip Miner I
Strip Miner I


Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

EHP is in the 55000 range. A flight of warriors or hobgoblins will deal with rats.
If you really do have a power grid issue I recommend using a rig rather than a module to fix it. replace one of the Core Defense Field Extenders with an Ancillary Current Router I.

If you can fit T2 Damage Control or Invulnerability fields do so.
Foxy Roxy Bastanold
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2016-09-26 23:43:17 UTC
Do Little wrote:
It's hard to imagine how a Procurer can run out of power grid. I suspect you are doing something unreasonable in your mid slots.
EFT has not been updated for the recent barge updates but this fit has loads of fitting headroom with minimal skills:

[Procurer, Procurer]
IFFA Compact Damage Control
Mining Laser Upgrade I

Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
ML-3 Scoped Survey Scanner

Strip Miner I
Strip Miner I


Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

EHP is in the 55000 range. A flight of warriors or hobgoblins will deal with rats.
If you really do have a power grid issue I recommend using a rig rather than a module to fix it. replace one of the Core Defense Field Extenders with an Ancillary Current Router I.

If you can fit T2 Damage Control or Invulnerability fields do so.


That was a HUGE help. I did having something equipment I shouldn't have. I was using fittings from a YouTube video, but I just switched to yours and can easily equip everything. Between the two strip miners, drones and mining laser upgrade 2 I should be mining ore a lot faster. Loooooooove the Eve Community. :-)
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#9 - 2016-09-27 00:40:42 UTC
For a little more mining power, you could aim for this.

[Procurer, New DNA-imported loadout]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Unscrupulous people in highsec will likely try to gank you using Catalysts (and kinetic+thermal damage from blasters). This will make you tanky enough for people to go kill the other guy instead.

You can still be bumped, so pay attention and never stand still.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
Brave Collective
#10 - 2016-09-27 01:59:50 UTC
Another heads up for you, since you like the Procurer, the tech 2 mining frigates, the Prospect and the Endurance are the veterans miners choice when it comes to mine in dangerous space.

The Prospect can mine around the same amount as the Procurer does and is a lot more mobile and even has the ability to warp cloaked.
She is the first choice in gas-mining and the yield with regular ore is not that much different from the Procurer and both have the same ore-bay size.

The Endurance is the sister ship to the Prospect but she cannot fly cloaked but nevertheless you can have a cloak on and even mine up to 50 ice / hour.

That's not terrible for a frigate.

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2016-09-27 16:41:38 UTC
I'm glad you're getting some solid advice in here.

Don't forget your Processing skills for each ore either, lv4 unlocks the T2 crystals to use with Modulated Strip Miners.

They also increase the yield when you process it all.

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Welcome to EVE.

Elyham
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2016-09-27 19:04:57 UTC
Foxy Roxy Bastanold wrote:
So I really like the idea of having a mining career. I'd like to get a Hulk at some point. I managed to get enough money to purchase a Procurer and some decent fittings. After mining in a Venture for a few months I thought spending 25 million on a new ship would be a huge step forward in my game. My loot from the Venture would be about 500,000 per trip, mining in hi-sec. My haul from the Procurer is about 1.5 to 2 million per haul. But here's the thing... It takes about four times the length to fill up the Procurer VS. the Venture, so it doesn't seem to be that much of a difference. I realize that I could have better fittings on my Procurer to speed things up and there are always skills, but in general, am I missing something? I'm wondering now that I have a better ship if I should be mining in low sec or ice mining? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!


The key to a successful career in mining is the right fit and the right location.

You want to fit your hulk for max yield and nothing more. I would also advise investing in mining implants including the Michi one.

You then want to find a 0.5 system near trade routes (Niarja is a good start) for the best possible ore and ability to transport for sale.

You can jetcan mine to ensure efficient use of your time until ready to haul.

Elyham
Director, Mining Buddy Program
Foxy Roxy Bastanold
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2016-09-27 22:16:45 UTC
Drago Shouna wrote:
I'm glad you're getting some solid advice in here.

Don't forget your Processing skills for each ore either, lv4 unlocks the T2 crystals to use with Modulated Strip Miners.

They also increase the yield when you process it all.


Yeah, I'm getting some great advice. I'm still reading everything and really listening to everyone's feedback. I want to have fun with this game of course, but also take it seriously and excel in a career. Again... Thanks everyone!
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
Brave Collective
#14 - 2016-09-27 22:50:00 UTC
You're welcome!

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

Aura sound-clips: Aura forever

Wombat65Au Egdald
R I S E
#15 - 2016-09-27 23:21:09 UTC
Foxy Roxy Bastanold wrote:
That was a HUGE help. I did having something equipment I shouldn't have. I was using fittings from a YouTube video, but I just switched to yours and can easily equip everything. Between the two strip miners, drones and mining laser upgrade 2 I should be mining ore a lot faster. Loooooooove the Eve Community. :-)


If you try to copy a fit from youtube or someone's blog, check how long ago that fit was posted.

CCP is constantly tinkering with the stats of various ships and modules. A fit that worked well a couple of years ago may not work well today if CCP changed the stats of the ship or the modules after that fit was posted. The stats on mining ships were changed a few weeks ago. As an example, Procurers used to only be able to fit one strip miner, now they can fit two of them.
Foxy Roxy Bastanold
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2016-09-28 13:53:03 UTC
Wombat65Au Egdald wrote:
Foxy Roxy Bastanold wrote:
That was a HUGE help. I did having something equipment I shouldn't have. I was using fittings from a YouTube video, but I just switched to yours and can easily equip everything. Between the two strip miners, drones and mining laser upgrade 2 I should be mining ore a lot faster. Loooooooove the Eve Community. :-)


If you try to copy a fit from youtube or someone's blog, check how long ago that fit was posted.

CCP is constantly tinkering with the stats of various ships and modules. A fit that worked well a couple of years ago may not work well today if CCP changed the stats of the ship or the modules after that fit was posted. The stats on mining ships were changed a few weeks ago. As an example, Procurers used to only be able to fit one strip miner, now they can fit two of them.


Yep. Lesson learned. Thanks!
Atomeon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2016-09-29 23:29:22 UTC
Rawketsled wrote:
For a little more mining power, you could aim for this.

[Procurer, New DNA-imported loadout]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Unscrupulous people in highsec will likely try to gank you using Catalysts (and kinetic+thermal damage from blasters). This will make you tanky enough for people to go kill the other guy instead.

You can still be bumped, so pay attention and never stand still.


With that fit you have 46k EHP to a Coercer with pulse and coflag. It can pass 530Dps with T2 ammo. Who needs Catalysts?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#18 - 2016-10-01 21:02:39 UTC
I'd be tempted to go Invuln + EM and a CDFE rig. Fll that resist hole properly.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Kirkentine Parmala
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2016-10-03 02:04:35 UTC
I have alts and stuff that do multiple things.

Station trading in null I'm usually making about 40-60 million per day. That's just making 3-5 jumps to a station at about 0600 EVE time when it's dead and coming back. One trip. It might take a day or two for all that stuff to sell, but the next day I've already made another trip and already brough in another 40-60 million worth profit of stuff to sell.

Combat gains can be unpredictable, usually every day or two I will manage to ninja loot some Pith module worth 150 million, or intercept a hauler carrying a bunch of ore or something. But as I said, unpredictable. So far from looting kills, I've collected about 100 million isk worth of male exotic dancers and janitors from wrecks......

I have an alt that has been sitting in Jita for two years doing nothing but margin trading and has never undocked since getting there. Depending if I'm paying attention to the market or if things go well I can make anywhere from 1-100 million every two or three days on him. At the moment I'm going for some of the cheaper commodities after having some staggering losses and seem to be making 20-30 million profit every two days.

My main makes battleships and battlecruisers and sells them out in null which is extremely profitable. I've nearly got enough isk to start my first capital production run.

There is also ratting I've just started trying, I'm making 20 million every 20 or so minutes while dual-boxing. But I find it a little boring and only do it if there is no pewpew content or nothing is happening on the market.

My point is...... Mining is crap. It's not worth the time and there is much MUCH more profitable and quicker, less boring things to do in EVE. If you insist on mining though, at least join a nullsec corp, and mine out there. There is much more profitable minerals, gas and ice, while also being able to sell them at inflated prices. Bottom line is though, mining is boring and not that profitable. If you really want to do it you should have an alt. Also Planetary Interaction would also be a good method of passive income to couple with mining.
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#20 - 2016-10-03 06:19:38 UTC
Atomeon wrote:
Rawketsled wrote:
For a little more mining power, you could aim for this.

[Procurer, New DNA-imported loadout]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Unscrupulous people in highsec will likely try to gank you using Catalysts (and kinetic+thermal damage from blasters). This will make you tanky enough for people to go kill the other guy instead.

You can still be bumped, so pay attention and never stand still.


With that fit you have 46k EHP to a Coercer with pulse and coflag. It can pass 530Dps with T2 ammo. Who needs Catalysts?


That's not really the issue with that Fit, its just that its not optiimal in general . My Pyfa says 65k vs Void and as you mentioned 46K vs conflag.

This one has the same 65K vs Void but 67K vs Conflag. It should also be a bit cheaper as I think the Shield rigs are cheaper than ACRs

[Procurer, HS]

Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Extender II
EM Ward Amplifier II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
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