EVE General Discussion

Really?

That Machiavellian that you spy on your colleagues to get an edge against them for promotion?*



* Disclaimer: If you are actually in intelligence, ignore the above.

If only I actually care about being liked.
Look at my forum posts and you will see I make no such attempt.

Yes. Telling the truth.

*Whoosh*



also, rants are frowned upon

To the OP, this is one of the things that ruined the game for me, I had played other games as a very successful leader but in this one the ease of spying based on multiple accounts without doing out of game stuff to counter made it immersion breaking, so I crossed running a corp or alliance off my list of things that are fun. I did build a successful corp and was second in command of a sov holding alliance and tried my hand at a virtual alliance, but saw some stuff while doing that that made me think not worth the time to continue as it was just too easy to break up.

The worst one was using your cap assets as a up and coming alliance, it was nail biting stuff which I suppose gives you a buzz when it comes off, but my god the stress level was just a bit much and some people were like oh my god oh my god the entire time they were in space. Quite funny at times though I have to admit.

I understand exactly what you mean, it is the same buzz as a close fight where you end up with a sliver of hull and you are the last one standing. The thing is I was not so keen on the issue of spying being so easy, I wanted my opponents to have to commit not some third party who will utterly crush me, which was not fun at all. I know you will see the difference, I am totally with you, damn that you are my kinda guy because you really get Eve and are not one of these fake Eve players.

You've never been to Insider Threats training I see.

On a side note, I'd like to put an entire account on red standings, even if I can't see what pilot goes to what account.

Just part of EvE. In Pandemic horde we have spies who relay intel, spies who awox, spies who create warpins for ganks, spies who suss out the best hot drop opportunities, we have spies in comms, we probably even have spies who FC and spies who make us dinner after a long day of being spied on...

Its amusing to be scouting for a fleet or gang and something is said on coms and straight away the enemy fleet takes action to react to what we just said...

While I feel a little embarassed for people who go to such lengths to "win" its an accepted part of life in EvE.

L Dopa : Infinity Ziona

You're kidding right? EVE is probably the least metagame risky PvP game I've ever encountered.

Corp history, local, too much live statistical info on the map, the massive insane thing that the EVE API has morphed in to, killboards, all that combines in to a game where there is a lot of free and easy intel floating around.

There's not a whole lot a spy can tell your enemy that you can't reliably source from an algorithm anyway. The fact that people PvP more to pad stats than to actually control space or make a profit is an indication of a systemic problem with intelligence avaliability in EVE. There's so little valuable intel that spies actually have to operate at an insanely high level to do anything useful in the first place.

What's left is limited tactical data or day one fleet comps, which are useful, and can decide a battle, but the fact that you're so starved for content that you find fleet ops cancelled often enough to be irritating is due to the conflict of having a game that thrives on entropy coupled with an information mechanism that gives people entirely too many ways to avoid that entropy in the first place. Assets at risk on the field are a pittance compared to the contents of most alliance's banks. Spies aren't all that dangerous in EVE. Thieves on the other hand are potentially catastrophic against the unprepared. The well being of any entity, from the two man corp up to the largest alliance isn't decided by the performance of its fleets. It's decided by the size of its bank.

Here's an experiment:

Remove local.

Remove the API.

Remove corp histories.

Remove the ability to warp anywhere at all with a combat timer active.

THAT is a situation in which spies are actually a constant threat factor to every organization in the game.

What you have now is just a minor inconvenience and an extended job interview.