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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#21 - 2016-09-30 19:08:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
Sometimes to restore honor one has to sacrifice their life. I am glad to see that King Khanid has finally restored his Name and Honor.

I just wonder, if the publisher of this news article on IGS will ever manage to restore her lost honor.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Slobodan Hawkwood
House Hawkwood of Amarr
#22 - 2016-09-30 19:18:04 UTC
Blessed are the noble Royal Heirs, who followed ancient Rite of Shathol’Syn and earned Lord's grace and immortality!

"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all;
When thine heart shines with the Light, thou shalt know no hardship;
When thine actions are in Light's name, thou art immortal.’"
- The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:1

"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."

Paladin's Creed
Arrendis
TK Corp
#23 - 2016-09-30 19:41:47 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
There is a very large number of people who are terrified of the very concept of oblivion, the notion that after death, our consciousness goes nowhere and instead ceases to be. Hence all this thought and contemplations of the afterlife, even in our own culture.


Well, sure, but I mean among the Amarr. Someone doesn't want their religion, that's fine. According to their religion, that person still gets what they want: not spending forever with the Amarr God. Seems like a 'no harm, no foul' situation to me. the kind of proposition that should breed a tolerant religion, not a violently subjugative one.
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2016-09-30 19:56:26 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
There is a very large number of people who are terrified of the very concept of oblivion, the notion that after death, our consciousness goes nowhere and instead ceases to be. Hence all this thought and contemplations of the afterlife, even in our own culture.


Well, sure, but I mean among the Amarr. Someone doesn't want their religion, that's fine. According to their religion, that person still gets what they want: not spending forever with the Amarr God. Seems like a 'no harm, no foul' situation to me. the kind of proposition that should breed a tolerant religion, not a violently subjugative one.
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Well.. that person is dead. Forever. Maybe that doesn't mean much to you, but as Elmund observes.. that's troubling to a large number of people, and frankly, terrifying. It's one reason the Amarr seek to Reclaim as many as they can to save the lost before they are gone forever (and yes, i recognize that's been done forcibly and non forcibly.... not seeking to argue that point here).).
Arrendis
TK Corp
#25 - 2016-09-30 20:13:04 UTC
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
Well.. that person is dead. Forever. Maybe that doesn't mean much to you, but as Elmund observes.. that's troubling to a large number of people, and frankly, terrifying. It's one reason the Amarr seek to Reclaim as many as they can to save the lost before they are gone forever (and yes, i recognize that's been done forcibly and non forcibly.... not seeking to argue that point here).).


Right. That person's dead. That person's dead because that was their choice. If that person doesn't want to risk being dead, then let 'em convert. If they honestly believe? Well, then they're gonna convert, aren't they? But if they prefer being dead to converting just to escape death... well, I don't see how that should ever be considered a poor choice.

I mean, consider: If I tell you 'if you switch sides, I'll give you a billion ISK', that's not virtue. That's graft. That's corruption. That's 'I'm going to do what you want, and you're going to give me what I want'. Similarly, someone acting virtuous because they're being bought off isn't virtue. It's just the opposite. So someone who converts because they're afraid of death? Isn't that exactly the same thing? Someone going for transactional graft? How is that virtuous?
Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
#26 - 2016-09-30 20:26:55 UTC
Well, the new Empress apparently missed her first chance "to lead the people of Amarr into a new era ... an era of change, and progress" and to set an exclamation mark by abolishing this barbaric ritual.
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#27 - 2016-09-30 20:33:25 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
Well.. that person is dead. Forever. Maybe that doesn't mean much to you, but as Elmund observes.. that's troubling to a large number of people, and frankly, terrifying. It's one reason the Amarr seek to Reclaim as many as they can to save the lost before they are gone forever (and yes, i recognize that's been done forcibly and non forcibly.... not seeking to argue that point here).).


Right. That person's dead. That person's dead because that was their choice. If that person doesn't want to risk being dead, then let 'em convert. If they honestly believe? Well, then they're gonna convert, aren't they? But if they prefer being dead to converting just to escape death... well, I don't see how that should ever be considered a poor choice.

I mean, consider: If I tell you 'if you switch sides, I'll give you a billion ISK', that's not virtue. That's graft. That's corruption. That's 'I'm going to do what you want, and you're going to give me what I want'. Similarly, someone acting virtuous because they're being bought off isn't virtue. It's just the opposite. So someone who converts because they're afraid of death? Isn't that exactly the same thing? Someone going for transactional graft? How is that virtuous?


From the faithful's point of view, each person lost is a sad loss of potential to the Faithful, both in this life and the next.

As for motives, people do the right thing for a lot of reasons, some which are complex and some are simple. One reason for the generational aspects of slavery is to address the issue of motives and thinking.

While I appreciate your thoughtful discussion, I also know my personal limitations. I'll graciously step out as this lay person is well over her head at this point. I was just trying to explain how the Amarr see heaven and hell from a lay person's point of view. I know my strengths, and detailed philosophical arguments aren't among them. I am sure Lieutenant Kernher or the Holy Mother can wade in if they have time.
Laerise
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#28 - 2016-09-30 20:45:42 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
My Lord Yonis Ardishapur, even with only a few years as our heir, you proved yourself a True, pious man, and a saint to your people. You will be remembered as one of the greatest Lords Ardishapur. That you must leave us is the most terrible tragedy to come from the loss of so many of our recent emperors. The universe will be an emptier place without you. May the Sefrim carry you swiftly to the gates of Heaven, so that you may find paradise in the light of our Most Holy God.



"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all;
When thine heart shines with the Light, thou shalt know no hardship;
When thine actions are in Light's name, thou art immortal.’"
- The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:1

Lord Ardishapur will live on in the multitudes whose hearts he touched and whose lives he saved.
We should consider ourselves blessed to have lived in a time when a living Saint walked among us and brought His Light and His Will into this world through word and deed.
Matar Ronin
#29 - 2016-09-30 21:17:16 UTC
I was really hoping this was going to be a public broadcast event.

Today we have fewer slavery cultists around because of their ritual need for death.
More blood on the throne of skulls and the hands of the cultists pretending to be members of a religion.

At least today, these few are not the innocent, like the trillions who through history that have been enslaved and forced to follow a demonic slavery cult that demands their death.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#30 - 2016-09-30 21:21:24 UTC
The King is dead, all hail to the King.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Silen Serine
#31 - 2016-09-30 21:32:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Silen Serine
Kolmogorow wrote:
Well, the new Empress apparently missed her first chance "to lead the people of Amarr into a new era ... an era of change, and progress" and to set an exclamation mark by abolishing this barbaric ritual.

Imagine the reaction of the orthodoxy, already incensed by her coronation, were such a divergence to be proclaimed. We can only speculate that indeed she may have wanted such a change, but knew it would not serve her people.

In a way, the self-sacrifice of these heirs may be ensuring cluster-wide peace.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#32 - 2016-09-30 21:33:55 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
I was really hoping this was going to be a public broadcast event.

Today we have fewer slavery cultists around because of their ritual need for death.
More blood on the throne of skulls and the hands of the cultists pretending to be members of a religion.

At least today, these few are not the innocent, like the trillions who through history that have been enslaved and forced to follow a demonic slavery cult that demands their death.

There are some things we shouldn't see, like their last empress being blown to pieces. We don't have anything to celebrate by watching it, since there is no victory in it for us to behold. They're killing themselves for their religion and not because they believe they did anything wrong or by our hands. I don't blame you for wanting to see, I'm curious myself. Broadcasting it is...... Pointless?
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2016-10-01 04:39:27 UTC
The Amarr broadcasting the Shathol'syn is like the Republic broadcasting a Tribal Council meeting or Voluval ritual. Not going to happen so don't even ask for it.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2016-10-01 04:52:29 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
Well.. that person is dead. Forever. Maybe that doesn't mean much to you, but as Elmund observes.. that's troubling to a large number of people, and frankly, terrifying. It's one reason the Amarr seek to Reclaim as many as they can to save the lost before they are gone forever (and yes, i recognize that's been done forcibly and non forcibly.... not seeking to argue that point here).).


Right. That person's dead. That person's dead because that was their choice. If that person doesn't want to risk being dead, then let 'em convert. If they honestly believe? Well, then they're gonna convert, aren't they? But if they prefer being dead to converting just to escape death... well, I don't see how that should ever be considered a poor choice.

I mean, consider: If I tell you 'if you switch sides, I'll give you a billion ISK', that's not virtue. That's graft. That's corruption. That's 'I'm going to do what you want, and you're going to give me what I want'. Similarly, someone acting virtuous because they're being bought off isn't virtue. It's just the opposite. So someone who converts because they're afraid of death? Isn't that exactly the same thing? Someone going for transactional graft? How is that virtuous?


Thing is the Amarr probably believes that 'cease to be' is a fate nobody deserves and thought it is a kindness to save everyone from this fate by all means necessary. Namely by making them convert to save their souls or something similar.

That phrase, "The road to ruin is paved with good intentions" comes to mind.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Tabris Katz
The Forgotten Children
#35 - 2016-10-01 04:55:37 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Sometimes to restore honor one has to sacrifice their life. I am glad to see that King Khanid has finally restored his Name and Honor.


I was wondering if Garkeh Khanid would go through with the ritual as well. Interesting.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#36 - 2016-10-01 07:31:46 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
I was really hoping this was going to be a public broadcast event.


Why would it be publicly broadcasted to disrespectful oafs like yourself ?

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2016-10-01 16:54:50 UTC
Tabris Katz wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Sometimes to restore honor one has to sacrifice their life. I am glad to see that King Khanid has finally restored his Name and Honor.


I was wondering if Garkeh Khanid would go through with the ritual as well. Interesting.


Quite surprising. Did he participate in the chances to be elected new emperor, or was just paying his (long) due? I expect the new king to take part on the new process the day Catiz leaves us.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#38 - 2016-10-01 18:32:09 UTC
Wow, a Blooder calling someone else out as being oafish? That's pretty rich Valate.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#39 - 2016-10-01 18:34:38 UTC
Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:
Tabris Katz wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Sometimes to restore honor one has to sacrifice their life. I am glad to see that King Khanid has finally restored his Name and Honor.


I was wondering if Garkeh Khanid would go through with the ritual as well. Interesting.


Quite surprising. Did he participate in the chances to be elected new emperor, or was just paying his (long) due? I expect the new king to take part on the new process the day Catiz leaves us.


King Khanid was an eligible Heir during the Trials, yes.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#40 - 2016-10-01 18:34:49 UTC
Call Blood Raiders what you will, but they're rarely oafish. Sure, they can be sinister, depraved, misguided, blood-thirsty, unbalanced or sometimes simply strange, but rarely oafish.

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