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Hello, I need maths/SP/Injector transfer help
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Zoob
Doomheim
#1 - 2016-09-28 17:37:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Zoob
Hello there,

I want to give all my SP from one char to another, the SP i have is 47m

The char i want to give it to is 1m SP

How many skill injectors will i get for melting down a char and then injecting it into a 1m SP char?

I just cant do maths, is there an app or programme for this or can anyone give me a formula to work it out, like how many extractos i will need?

Or should i just sell the char and buy injectors with the ISK, I dont know

Thanks, sorry for being thick
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#2 - 2016-09-28 17:44:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Extractors = (total_sp - 5,000,000) / 500,000

Example: (47m - 5,000,000) / 500,000 = 84 extractors
Mai Hantaka
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2016-09-28 17:51:19 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Extractors = (total_sp - 5,000,000) / 500,000

Example: (47m - 5,000,000) / 500,000 = 84 extractors


And on inserting the first 8 give full SP bringing the recipient from 1m SP to 5m SP. After that you only get 80% (up to 50m SP). 76*400k = 30.4m, so your final total will be 35.4m SP, spending almost 22b on skill extractors.

I'm guessing selling the character on the bazaar and trying to buy another character with skill more in line what you want may be cheaper.

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Zoob
Doomheim
#4 - 2016-09-28 17:52:37 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Extractors = (total_sp - 5,000,000) / 500,000

Example: (47m - 5,000,000) / 500,000 = 84 extractors

Now i'm really confused *sobs*

Im sorry I should not have posted this, I just want to know how much SP my new char will have if melt all 47m SPfrom my old main, of course i know i cant remove the last 5.5m

God i wish i worked harder at school, but numbers are just like a blur to me
Zoob
Doomheim
#5 - 2016-09-28 18:29:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Zoob
Mai Hantaka wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Extractors = (total_sp - 5,000,000) / 500,000

Example: (47m - 5,000,000) / 500,000 = 84 extractors


And on inserting the first 8 give full SP bringing the recipient from 1m SP to 5m SP. After that you only get 80% (up to 50m SP). 76*400k = 30.4m, so your final total will be 35.4m SP, spending almost 22b on skill extractors.

I'm guessing selling the character on the bazaar and trying to buy another character with skill more in line what you want may be cheaper.

Thanks, aye maybe you're right, or I could just sell that char and use the ISK to buy injectors, aye i wont get as much SP, but the char is from an old account i never used, Its like this is her oppertunity, finally since 2008, she may get to fly something more than a badger. I'll check out the forum sales and try to work out what SP i may be able to give her if i sell 47m sp char.

Cheers, i nearly started the SP removal process, what a moronic thing that would be, glad i checked the forums where smarter people are.

Oh christ i get 34m, but i have to pay the 22b too? So i have to minus the 22b from the injectors kitty to buy the extractors i could buy and that would dramatically reduce the SP for her, welp, how much would she have if she had 22b less injectors, thats umm
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#6 - 2016-09-28 18:45:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Zoob wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Extractors = (total_sp - 5,500,000) / 500,000

Example: (47m - 5,500,000) / 500,000 = 83 extractors

Now i'm really confused *sobs*

Im sorry I should not have posted this, I just want to know how much SP my new char will have if melt all 47m SPfrom my old main, of course i know i cant remove the last 5.5m

That's a different question than you posted.

With 84 injectors:
From 0 to 5,000,000 = 10 injectors
From 5,000,000 + (84 - 10) * 400,000 = 34,600,000

New characters have 400,000 skill points not zero, so the above is a bit low (closer to 35m) if you are OCD.
Robot Robot
Plate of Beans Incorporated
#7 - 2016-09-28 19:06:06 UTC
So you buy 83 Extractors, costing about 22 billion. You extract 41.5 million SP, ending up with 83 Injectors.

You then sell 37 Injectors (at current Jita lowest sell) in order to recoup the 22 billion.

You now have 46 Injectors that functionally cost you zero ISK.

You give those Injectors to your 1 million SP character. They inject the first 8 at full value, bringing them up to 5 million SP. The remaining 38 Injectors will only give 80% efficiency so, after you finish injecting them all, your character has 20.2 million SP.

Of course, you could also sell your 47 million SP character and use the proceeds to buy injectors. 46 Injectors would cost about 28 billion ISK. So, if you can get more than 28 billion for your character on the bazaar, that's the better option.

Hope that answers your questions.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#8 - 2016-09-28 19:44:35 UTC
Pretty sure it's 84 extractors.

If left with 5.5 million at the end, he would still be able to extract one more.

That would also add 400,000 additional SP to the new main.

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Thomas Lot
London Elektricity
#9 - 2016-09-28 21:39:21 UTC
You will end up with ~ 35M sp on the new character after extracting the sp from the old character. After skill degradation from the 500k->400k sp loss on extraction and injection past 5M sp, you will be able to inject 75 more times at 400k per injection.

Final total will be ~ 35 Million Skill Points.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#10 - 2016-09-28 22:35:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Pretty sure it's 84 extractors.

If left with 5.5 million at the end, he would still be able to extract one more.

That would also add 400,000 additional SP to the new main.

Ya, my original math was correct. I shouldn't have edited it.
Zoob
Doomheim
#11 - 2016-09-29 06:53:10 UTC
Robot Robot wrote:
So you buy 83 Extractors, costing about 22 billion. You extract 41.5 million SP, ending up with 83 Injectors.

You then sell 37 Injectors (at current Jita lowest sell) in order to recoup the 22 billion.

You now have 46 Injectors that functionally cost you zero ISK.

You give those Injectors to your 1 million SP character. They inject the first 8 at full value, bringing them up to 5 million SP. The remaining 38 Injectors will only give 80% efficiency so, after you finish injecting them all, your character has 20.2 million SP.

Of course, you could also sell your 47 million SP character and use the proceeds to buy injectors. 46 Injectors would cost about 28 billion ISK. So, if you can get more than 28 billion for your character on the bazaar, that's the better option.

Hope that answers your questions.

Wow, thank you so much for taking the time, i know now what i will do
Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-09-29 09:14:00 UTC
just a question: Do you need other skills or why are you doing it. If it is an unused account, why not move the toon and pay a plex for it? Totally scrubbing a char makes only sense when the chars is socially burned as an awoxer or something along the line. You can even remodel your char for a Plex and changing some skills most likely don't need to totally scrub the char.

So there are a lot of other options to to do something that radical to a char.
Zoob
Doomheim
#13 - 2016-09-30 01:43:16 UTC
Geronimo McVain wrote:
just a question: Do you need other skills or why are you doing it. If it is an unused account, why not move the toon and pay a plex for it? Totally scrubbing a char makes only sense when the chars is socially burned as an awoxer or something along the line. You can even remodel your char for a Plex and changing some skills most likely don't need to totally scrub the char.

So there are a lot of other options to to do something that radical to a char.

This is a good point, no its not a bad char, its just I bought it a few years ago on the forums and somone said to me once that bought chars are scrubs and no one likes you if they find out, I Wnt to get into EVE again and im worried that using a char somone else made will mean im a sort of outcast, socially and looked down upon.

So I thought, just give up the char i have with the 47mp SP and transfer them to a char 'you' made, so you have total ownership of it.

I dont know, im just weird like this i have been wondering what do do for 2 months now and feel im struggling to commit with my main, but i really like him and he has a clean history i checked, but he was never mine from the start.

So, if people find out im the corp i bought my char will they purge me?I dont know, i just dont want to invest time etc into a char that people poke fun of

Thanks for all your help
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2016-09-30 02:05:05 UTC
Zoob wrote:
Geronimo McVain wrote:
just a question: Do you need other skills or why are you doing it. If it is an unused account, why not move the toon and pay a plex for it? Totally scrubbing a char makes only sense when the chars is socially burned as an awoxer or something along the line. You can even remodel your char for a Plex and changing some skills most likely don't need to totally scrub the char.

So there are a lot of other options to to do something that radical to a char.

This is a good point, no its not a bad char, its just I bought it a few years ago on the forums and somone said to me once that bought chars are scrubs and no one likes you if they find out, I Wnt to get into EVE again and im worried that using a char somone else made will mean im a sort of outcast, socially and looked down upon.

So I thought, just give up the char i have with the 47mp SP and transfer them to a char 'you' made, so you have total ownership of it.

I dont know, im just weird like this i have been wondering what do do for 2 months now and feel im struggling to commit with my main, but i really like him and he has a clean history i checked, but he was never mine from the start.

So, if people find out im the corp i bought my char will they purge me?I dont know, i just dont want to invest time etc into a char that people poke fun of

Thanks for all your help

IMO it's a waste of SP and completely unnecessary. Anyone that has a problem with a purchased character will have a similar problem with an injected character. And many people won't care at all.

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Zoob
Doomheim
#15 - 2016-09-30 02:10:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Zoob
Cara Forelli wrote:
Zoob wrote:
Geronimo McVain wrote:
just a question: Do you need other skills or why are you doing it. If it is an unused account, why not move the toon and pay a plex for it? Totally scrubbing a char makes only sense when the chars is socially burned as an awoxer or something along the line. You can even remodel your char for a Plex and changing some skills most likely don't need to totally scrub the char.

So there are a lot of other options to to do something that radical to a char.

This is a good point, no its not a bad char, its just I bought it a few years ago on the forums and somone said to me once that bought chars are scrubs and no one likes you if they find out, I Wnt to get into EVE again and im worried that using a char somone else made will mean im a sort of outcast, socially and looked down upon.

So I thought, just give up the char i have with the 47mp SP and transfer them to a char 'you' made, so you have total ownership of it.

I dont know, im just weird like this i have been wondering what do do for 2 months now and feel im struggling to commit with my main, but i really like him and he has a clean history i checked, but he was never mine from the start.

So, if people find out im the corp i bought my char will they purge me?I dont know, i just dont want to invest time etc into a char that people poke fun of

Thanks for all your help

IMO it's a waste of SP and completely unnecessary. Anyone that has a problem with a purchased character will have a similar problem with an injected character. And many people won't care at all.


Bless you thanks, i thought that too, ive been playing since 08, but never for any sustained period, ive come back and im so impressed with whats changed and the community is still the same, which is nice.

Y'es who cares, so what if somone else created the char, in 100 yrs most people will be dead and the chars will be passed down to children, hell in 100 yrs EVE may still be going... and we will have antique chars!

how about that? Seeing eve chars on the antiques roadshow?

'Ohhh this is a rare char, created in 2004, spent his entire life inm the state protectorate, never hadfacial surgery and has a clean kill board' lool
Atomic Virulent
Embargo.
#16 - 2016-09-30 04:16:37 UTC
Can't imagine why new player retention is such a problem for CCP...

Obfuscation..
Confusion...
Misdirection...

When even seasoned, salty veteran players can't keep up with changes how do they expect a new player to do so?
Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2016-09-30 05:56:43 UTC
Zoob wrote:
This is a good point, no its not a bad char, its just I bought it a few years ago on the forums and somone said to me once that bought chars are scrubs and no one likes you if they find out, I Wnt to get into EVE again and im worried that using a char somone else made will mean im a sort of outcast, socially and looked down upon.

No one will remember a char that was bought some years ago. I would spend the Plex to remodell it and that's it. What most people don't like about bought chars are people that buy a char and brag with the toons skills but don't have the RL skill to use them accordingly.
Search for a corp the chars wasn't in before and you'll be fine and will save a lot of money.