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This whole training alts thing...

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Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#41 - 2016-09-27 17:59:30 UTC
Your only option is what players have been telling you...you can argue all day but it won't alter anything..

You either get 2 accounts, or split your training times on the same account between 2 characters. You might think it's wrong, but it is what it is.

At the minute I'm training a Jita hauler on my other account, but to do it I have had to pause training on the main character for a while..I don't suppose any of us like to do that, but we accept it's what we have to do.

Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

Welcome to EVE.

Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#42 - 2016-09-27 18:04:31 UTC
Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:
Originally cause I wanted a female and a male character, and go from 2 different ways, PvP and the other go concentrate on mining.


Mining is fairly low skilled. Just pause your queue for a few weeks to get an alt into a mining barge.

Stop comparing this to other games.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#43 - 2016-09-27 18:08:14 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Quote:
Stop comparing this to other games.


Seriously.

Imagine someone going to the WoW forum and saying, "You know, in Eve you can just train your character up automatically while you're offline - I don't understand why I can't do that here?!? I don't want to go kill mobs for XP, just let me click a button and log on later at level whatever-the-cap-is-these-days?"

This thread is exactly as nonsensical as that.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Jotunhammer Al'Vargh
Miners Trade Company
#44 - 2016-09-27 19:28:33 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Quote:
Stop comparing this to other games.


Seriously.

Imagine someone going to the WoW forum and saying, "You know, in Eve you can just train your character up automatically while you're offline - I don't understand why I can't do that here?!? I don't want to go kill mobs for XP, just let me click a button and log on later at level whatever-the-cap-is-these-days?"

This thread is exactly as nonsensical as that.



Umm, its called BOOST, and its already there ;)

I am the Light in the Darkness....

Jotunhammer Al'Vargh
Miners Trade Company
#45 - 2016-09-27 19:29:39 UTC
Drago Shouna wrote:
Your only option is what players have been telling you...you can argue all day but it won't alter anything..

You either get 2 accounts, or split your training times on the same account between 2 characters. You might think it's wrong, but it is what it is.

At the minute I'm training a Jita hauler on my other account, but to do it I have had to pause training on the main character for a while..I don't suppose any of us like to do that, but we accept it's what we have to do.



^^^^This... would have sufficed for ppl to say^^^^
Thank you :)

I am the Light in the Darkness....

Dahlia Samar
Maniacal Miners INC
The Legends In The Game
#46 - 2016-09-27 19:31:02 UTC
Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Quote:
Stop comparing this to other games.


Seriously.

Imagine someone going to the WoW forum and saying, "You know, in Eve you can just train your character up automatically while you're offline - I don't understand why I can't do that here?!? I don't want to go kill mobs for XP, just let me click a button and log on later at level whatever-the-cap-is-these-days?"

This thread is exactly as nonsensical as that.



Umm, its called BOOST, and its already there ;)


Buy skill-injectors :^)
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#47 - 2016-09-27 19:31:13 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Quote:
Stop comparing this to other games.


Seriously.

Imagine someone going to the WoW forum and saying, "You know, in Eve you can just train your character up automatically while you're offline - I don't understand why I can't do that here?!? I don't want to go kill mobs for XP, just let me click a button and log on later at level whatever-the-cap-is-these-days?"

This thread is exactly as nonsensical as that.



Umm, its called BOOST, and its already there ;)


So you get to do that for free purely by virtue of having an account, or you have to pay extra for it, kind of like here? ;)

Way to dunk your own argument, guy.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Serene Repose
#48 - 2016-09-27 19:46:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
LOL. Injectors are now an "integral part of the economy." Meaning: Without them the economy folds.

in·te·gral ˈin(t)əɡrəl,inˈteɡrəl/adjective:

1. necessary to make a whole complete; essential or fundamental.

I guess the new crowd has taken over. Long live EVE II!

Oh...wait....the OP. (Sorry. Didn't mean to forget you.) You didn't know you can only train one character on an account at a time?
L2P EVE.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#49 - 2016-09-27 19:51:02 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
LOL. Injectors are now an "integral part of the economy." Meaning: Without them the economy folds.

in·te·gral ˈin(t)əɡrəl,inˈteɡrəl/adjective:

1. necessary to make a whole complete; essential or fundamental.

I guess the new crowd has taken over. Long live EVE II!


If you want to use the rhetorical device of slapping down the definition of a word, you really have to first check and make sure that you're not the first person in the thread to use the word, or you just come away looking as silly as... well, as silly as you usually do when you post.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Serene Repose
#50 - 2016-09-27 19:53:40 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
LOL. Injectors are now an "integral part of the economy." Meaning: Without them the economy folds.

in·te·gral ˈin(t)əɡrəl,inˈteɡrəl/adjective:

1. necessary to make a whole complete; essential or fundamental.

I guess the new crowd has taken over. Long live EVE II!


If you want to use the rhetorical device of slapping down the definition of a word, you really have to first check and make sure that you're not the first person in the thread to use the word, or you just come away looking as silly as... well, as silly as you usually do when you post.
I'm sorry. Was I "slapping down the definition of a word"? Silly ME. I thought I was PROVIDING the definition of the word to CLARIFY my point.

Any other misbegotten corrections you may have for me; feel free. I find them amusing.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Andrea Cemenotar
Elena Minasse Operations
#51 - 2016-09-27 20:21:19 UTC
welp, to be frankly honest - at this moment I do not really see a point of those 3 characters per account option more than having placeholder alts for example to keep placeholder corp..... or something in this lines

I mean if you want an alt then getting second account wins all hands down.

let's comapre options shall we?

with two accoutns you can multibox and play bot hsimulataneously

with two toons you not only cannot, but you do not have even a convenient was of swapping characters - so if you want to swap the toon you need to restart client

two accounts keep both your main and alt training their skills up in same time at the cost of second subscription.....

to get second character training simultaneously on same account you pay basically just as much


so again what is the reason one should want to setup second toon on same account as opposed to setting up second account in the first place?

I fail to see any

and I have a vague feelign that OP meant to ask this very question
Jotunhammer Al'Vargh
Miners Trade Company
#52 - 2016-09-27 20:25:14 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Quote:
Stop comparing this to other games.


Seriously.

Imagine someone going to the WoW forum and saying, "You know, in Eve you can just train your character up automatically while you're offline - I don't understand why I can't do that here?!? I don't want to go kill mobs for XP, just let me click a button and log on later at level whatever-the-cap-is-these-days?"

This thread is exactly as nonsensical as that.



Umm, its called BOOST, and its already there ;)


So you get to do that for free purely by virtue of having an account, or you have to pay extra for it, kind of like here? ;)

Way to dunk your own argument, guy.



actually I got mine for free for upgrading, but your right, it cost to upgrade :)

I am the Light in the Darkness....

Loucxious Leopold
Dredge Nation
#53 - 2016-09-27 20:26:24 UTC
OP,

Not sure if this will help you any, but they are making a change in how clones are used in a way that might be more what you are looking for with the Alpha/Omega clone changes coming in November.

You will have a limited set of trained skills you can use in alpha state that will be free. This will give a little bit of an idea where the different characters can go without having to spend money for a subscription.
Jotunhammer Al'Vargh
Miners Trade Company
#54 - 2016-09-27 20:30:01 UTC
Andrea Cemenotar wrote:
welp, to be frankly honest - at this moment I do not really see a point of those 3 characters per account option more than having placeholder alts for example to keep placeholder corp..... or something in this lines

I mean if you want an alt then getting second account wins all hands down.

let's comapre options shall we?

with two accoutns you can multibox and play bot hsimulataneously

with two toons you not only cannot, but you do not have even a convenient was of swapping characters - so if you want to swap the toon you need to restart client

two accounts keep both your main and alt training their skills up in same time at the cost of second subscription.....

to get second character training simultaneously on same account you pay basically just as much


so again what is the reason one should want to setup second toon on same account as opposed to setting up second account in the first place?

I fail to see any

and I have a vague feelign that OP meant to ask this very question


yeah I get that feeling too, why have options for alt if they gonna cost as much as a regular account, but I guess it is for those that can and do pause their mains trainings. but I see the beauty of having 2 accounts and 2 windows... I just bought myself a new screen so I might just be dual boxing it...

I am the Light in the Darkness....

Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#55 - 2016-09-27 20:36:49 UTC
Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:
yeah I get that feeling too, why have options for alt if they gonna cost as much as a regular account, but I guess it is for those that can and do pause their mains trainings. but I see the beauty of having 2 accounts and 2 windows... I just bought myself a new screen so I might just be dual boxing it...


Because you don't need an active queue for many playstyles. I have all three slots in use for every account I have. Here's a list of playstyles that you don't need a queue for:

1. scanning alt (a perfect scanner of mine hasn't had an active queue in over a year)
2. PI alts (train a few weeks and you don't need another skillpoint)
3. research alts
4. trading alts
5. cyno alts
6. certain haulers (I have a blockade runner pilot that hasn't had an active queue in a long time, and has come in handy more than once)

There are more than that, but hopefully you get the idea. There are parts of the game where additional skill points won't help. How does it help my scanning alt to have any combat skills? He just finds hostile systems for me. I only need a character who can cloak, scan, and can stay in hostile space for weeks at a time. No need for an active queue.

Having two windows going at once is great. More than a lot of us do it, but it's only logical to have to pay for two subscriptions for that luxury. So either pay the cash, or wait until you can plex an account to start up the second one.
Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#56 - 2016-09-27 20:39:17 UTC
Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:
Quihote wrote:
You don't have to pay to train an alt on the same account. You can pause training on the primary character in order to train on the alt. If you want to train them simultaneously, then you have to pay.

However, training an alt and a primary on the same account doesn't make sense as a long term plan if you plan on training both characters. If you pay cash for a sub, it's cheaper and more practical to start a second account. If plexing the cost is the same but it might still be more practical to have another account.



that whole thing means just this....
You can have an alt but not train the alt unless you pause your main.
then what is the point of having an alt if you can not train him/her?

My point is that CCP made it so that in reality in order to have an effective alt(mind I said effective)
then you have to buy a whole new game by either buy plex or by shopping for 19.95 euros another
game. That is not an alt. By forcing the playerbase to in reality eother chose to pause their main
or buy a whole new game to effectively play an alt, they are cheating you of the alt experience.

if you have an alt, it SHOULD be totally and I mean TOTALLY separate from the main.

With the way the system works now its no use to get an alt, why would you when most of your time you have to have
training, specially when some skills take days and weeks to learn, why then force people to have to buy
additional game time for use with their alt.

Its a smart way for them to make cash for sure, but it also for those who are altoholics is a turnoff because
I am sure not many would want to pay 2 or 3 games just in order to be allowed to have an alt.

To me it makes no sense why I should be forced to buy a whole new game, why not make the second
or third training que cost something LESS than the whole new game?

I am seriously getting turned off from playing EVE at all cause I sure as heck do not want to pay
for 3 accounts just to be allowed to train my alts. No, then I rather go back to somewhere where they do not
charge you a whole new game just to allow you to use alts.


Show us an MMO where you can level multiple characters at the same time.
Jotunhammer Al'Vargh
Miners Trade Company
#57 - 2016-09-27 20:40:10 UTC
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:
yeah I get that feeling too, why have options for alt if they gonna cost as much as a regular account, but I guess it is for those that can and do pause their mains trainings. but I see the beauty of having 2 accounts and 2 windows... I just bought myself a new screen so I might just be dual boxing it...


Because you don't need an active queue for many playstyles. I have all three slots in use for every account I have. Here's a list of playstyles that you don't need a queue for:

1. scanning alt (a perfect scanner of mine hasn't had an active queue in over a year)
2. PI alts (train a few weeks and you don't need another skillpoint)
3. research alts
4. trading alts
5. cyno alts
6. certain haulers (I have a blockade runner pilot that hasn't had an active queue in a long time, and has come in handy more than once)

There are more than that, but hopefully you get the idea. There are parts of the game where additional skill points won't help. How does it help my scanning alt to have any combat skills? He just finds hostile systems for me. I only need a character who can cloak, scan, and can stay in hostile space for weeks at a time. No need for an active queue.

Having two windows going at once is great. More than a lot of us do it, but it's only logical to have to pay for two subscriptions for that luxury. So either pay the cash, or wait until you can plex an account to start up the second one.


This is helpful, allowing me to see how it is done or can be done and I understand, thank you kindly.

I am the Light in the Darkness....

KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#58 - 2016-09-27 22:43:29 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
LOL. Injectors are now an "integral part of the economy." Meaning: Without them the economy folds.

in·te·gral ˈin(t)əɡrəl,inˈteɡrəl/adjective:

1. necessary to make a whole complete; essential or fundamental.

I guess the new crowd has taken over. Long live EVE II!


If you want to use the rhetorical device of slapping down the definition of a word, you really have to first check and make sure that you're not the first person in the thread to use the word, or you just come away looking as silly as... well, as silly as you usually do when you post.
I'm sorry. Was I "slapping down the definition of a word"? Silly ME. I thought I was PROVIDING the definition of the word to CLARIFY my point.

Any other misbegotten corrections you may have for me; feel free. I find them amusing.

Yeah...I think the quoted text should have used "integrated" rather than "integral."

But I've given up on semantics since I learned that "literally" and "figuratively" are now considered interchangeable. Ugh

Dum Spiro Spero

Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#59 - 2016-09-28 03:54:37 UTC
The fundamental issue for the OP is that alts in EVE are different than alts in WOW.
In EVE, any one character can theoretically make anything, mine anything, fly anything... depending only on the player's goals.
In games like WOW, alts are because there are 12 possible classes to choose from, there are more professions available than any one character can opt for.

I know that most of us already understand this, but it does seem some new players don't.
My alts: one is a freighter/transport ship pilot, another slated for ganking.

(Also, in most of those other games the character is the "chosen hero", while here... we are often the scum of the cluster)
Serene Repose
#60 - 2016-09-28 05:45:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
KaarBaak wrote:
But I've given up on semantics since I learned that "literally" and "figuratively" are now considered interchangeable. Ugh
All is not lost. At least I got a good chuckle out of that.

Oh, and for those trying to explain this is THIS game not THAT game...don't bother.
If they hadn't figured that out by the end of the tutorial, they never will.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.