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The other side of the coin. A message to new players.

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Malakye Appleton
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-09-26 01:09:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Malakye Appleton
I began in EVE focused mostly on trying to build an industry corp. Yes, I was a bit of a care bear. I was an infant (and still pretty much am) in the grand scheme of things. I remember getting war decced and thinking "Why is someone out to get us? Ruin our gameplay? Destroy our little indy corp? What did we do to **** this corp off?" I used to take everything so personally. I used to buy a lot of PLEX just to keep up with my goals and supply my corp with things they needed to get ourselves established and as soon as we got to a point of making a streaming profit, BLAM, hit with a wardec, everyone would freak out, scatter and cry.

I finally got so tired of it that I started this character. I set off to learn PVP. Everything from station camping, MTU baiting, low sec hunting, you name it. I tried it. I made some derps and learned a lot of lessons and in the midst of all of it, I used to think "people who do this or that HAVE to be pricks in real life". Things people would do or try to do to me at particular times, or things they would say in convo etc would make me shudder and I'd think, "Man, this guy must be a total loser" or whatever.

When I was working on building a reputation for my Merc Corp Voynich Decoded and ended up in a war with Vendetta, the trash talking and sometimes downright nasty exchanges really gave me an impression of them I wasn't too impressed with, though prior to that, VMG was an Alliance I really wanted to be a part of. Over some time, I got to know some of the VMG pilots and was invited to join the alliance. I was excited but apprehensive because I honestly thought I was joining an alliance that I could learn from, but were full of snotty, cocky punks with ego's the size of Mt. Olympus. I was so completely wrong.

It didn't take long to realize that the Alliance was made up of guys even older than me and I'm 38. They are smart, calculating and most of all, helpful. Lucky for me they saw something in me, even in contrast to my derps on my KB and took me in and taught me their way. I've been flying with these guys now for a month and 17 days, have made literally billions of isk and have had a blast with some of the coolest, funniest and smartest guys. A member of leadership once told me early on they used to try and goat me and mess with me just to see how I would handle things and whats funny is, he was one of the worst on the forums and everywhere else and come to find out hes absolutely the complete opposite of what and who I thought he was.

The point to this post is thus, Eve is a hard, very unforgiving game full of people that want to kill you and take your stuff. Its political and the veterans want the respect they have earned through years of being in New Eden. As a new player, research all you can. Read the forums, read articles and watch videos on youtube and learn all you can and try to figure out how you want the game to be for you. What do you want to accomplish? What will you enjoy? Once you've figured that out, focus on that goal and dont stop until you've achieved it.

Once you have made some headway into your goal, don't hesitate to buy PLEX to be sold to buy Injectors. Buying injectors enables you to beef up your skills to fly the ships you want to and while no amount of skills will make you better than someone in a crapier ship with a lot more real experience, the best way to learn is to do. You want to learn how to be an amazing Bomber pilot? Inject into one, get your skills as high as you can afford and get after it. Watching and read everything you can and then go practice. You'll lose ships, but every ship you lose will be a mistake you've learned a valuable lesson from and likely wont make that mistake again.

Find a solid corporation to join and get on their Teamspeak. Teamspeak is invaluable in not only adding to your game experience but building friendships. I honestly log into Teamspeak just to listen to and talk with everyone, even when I'm doing other things because, well, it's just fun and adds to my day. I log in to EVE more to be of use to my mates now than just to "play". You'll understand in time what I mean.

Remember, EVE is a game. Dont take anything personally. If it seems like everyone is out to get you, well, they probably are but they aren't actively trying to ruin you or make your gaming experience bad or get you to quit. They just know more than you about the game, its mechanics and they are playing it the way it's meant to be played at that particular time and utilize that experience to capitalize. You will too when you learn how.

Finally, dont give up. If you are new, clueless and the game seems daunting or impossible. Believe me, it's not that bad once you learn the basics. Eve is like learning the branches of a tree. Start with the trunk and branch out into the related aspects that will benefit you. In time, you will understand most of what you need to know to find success, fun and LOTS of excitement.

If you're looking for some help or advice on fits, etc. join the Vnation public channel. I'm happy to point you in the right direction, connect you with a good corp for you to learn from based on what you're wanting to get into etc and if I happen to blow up your ship some day, just say "Good Fight" and reship knowing I was where you are just months ago.

Best of luck.

Living the dream, one tear at a time...

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2016-09-26 01:23:01 UTC
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2016-09-26 07:48:11 UTC
Thanks for sharing and good luck with the Alliance.


DMC
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#4 - 2016-09-26 11:05:36 UTC
/me starts the chant: One of us!! One of us!! One of us!! Lol


Welcome to the official nutbar.Twisted

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Serene Repose
#5 - 2016-09-26 22:39:53 UTC
Long story short. My male ego being affronted forced me to drop long-range goals and adopt the instant gratification role.

Well done. I love determination and that stick-to-it-iveness that makes humanity STRONG!

rawr! Cool

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Wanda Fayne
#6 - 2016-09-26 23:07:25 UTC
TL;DR
it's fun now to be on the giving end of things...

"your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic" -Lan Wang-

  • - "hub humping station gamey neutral logi warspam wankery" -Ralph King-Griffin-
Malakye Appleton
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2016-09-26 23:09:14 UTC
Even when I was trying to build my industry corp a couple of us would go out hunting, even if with limited capabilities. I wanted to get into industry to fund my PVP efforts. I just skipped a phase. :)

Living the dream, one tear at a time...

Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#8 - 2016-09-27 01:07:47 UTC
Malakye Appleton wrote:
Even when I was trying to build my industry corp a couple of us would go out hunting, even if with limited capabilities. I wanted to get into industry to fund my PVP efforts. I just skipped a phase. :)


This is it right there and the continuance and persistence in this part that made the leap. Even if its once a week with a single ship or two. Even if its once a day or several days with a ship of limited capabilities. Its the going out and applying and being persistent in it that will make that change happen in the long run. Like with most things in real life.

Ive been in a lot of gyms, in a lot of locker rooms and on a lot of teams in my life. Offices and work places are much the same. The will to continue, the will to strive is something vital that noone can teach, its either in you or its not. The rest are mere details along the way that will one day write the proverbial book in a chapter of your life.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Sere O'Asis
Desert Oasis Investigations
#9 - 2016-09-27 02:40:40 UTC
Malakye Appleton wrote:



The point to this post is thus, Eve is a hard, very unforgiving game full of people that want to kill you and take your stuff. Its political and the veterans want the respect they have earned through years of being in New Eden. As a new player, research all you can. Read the forums, read articles and watch videos on youtube and learn all you can and try to figure out how you want the game to be for you. What do you want to accomplish? What will you enjoy? Once you've figured that out, focus on that goal and dont stop until you've achieved it.


Remember, EVE is a game. Dont take anything personally. If it seems like everyone is out to get you, well, they probably are but they aren't actively trying to ruin you or make your gaming experience bad or get you to quit. They just know more than you about the game, its mechanics and they are playing it the way it's meant to be played at that particular time and utilize that experience to capitalize. You will too when you learn how.


Finally, dont give up. If you are new, clueless and the game seems daunting or impossible. Believe me, it's not that bad once you learn the basics. Eve is like learning the branches of a tree. Start with the trunk and branch out into the related aspects that will benefit you. In time, you will understand most of what you need to know to find success, fun and LOTS of excitement.




These points are some of the best I've read on the forums.

EVE is a game of will and determination.

Malakye Appleton is right, new players (and sometimes long time subscribers) just need to keep trying.

EVE is worth the effort.

o7
TackyTachy1
Doomheim
#10 - 2016-09-27 04:24:15 UTC
I could say "Too much philosophy, not enough gunfire." but I don't do that much shooting myself. Eve can be many things but morally and ethically 'tis corrupt as a professional politician. Of course, being morally and ethically corrupt confers many advantages in that one can be advanced by lying, stealing or shooting, especially unto those who may foolishly place their pathetic trust in you. The inhabitants of Eve may be feral, ruthless doers of evil things but on the whole they aren't that bright. The way I look at it is that they are all bad guys except my alts, and sometimes I wonder about them. Remember, don't over think this game. You see an opportunity jump on it, if it turns out to be a gangbang then, oh well, give'em hell next time. One final point: for every ship lost there is that one thing that could've/should've either been done or not done that caused that ship to go bang, your job is to sit down, think it out, figure out that "thing", then go forth and do it all over again.

Like I said, too much philosophy.

Forum Rep for a bunch of characters, couple corps and one seriously Lost In Space multiboxer.

Sir Dude
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2016-09-27 04:48:03 UTC
Yes, new players should keep going and be determined, good advice.

Eve is a great game (one of the best)...period. Just have to accept / watch out for all the sociopaths who represent a large disproportionate section of the player base, which new players are not expecting.