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Yes of course you do, but that was not really my question, do you direct them on targets too?

Par for the course then. Too many people can't think past Stage 1, they hear an idea that seems aimed at hurting people they already don't like, don't even get past that 1st thought, and think "this will be awesome, I'm in!".

Like Baltec alludes too, we've seen it time and time again. Back when the Dominion sov system was proposed (with the goal of 'breaking up the big groups and helping the small guy), the solo/small gang types were all for it. Better thinkers said "no, that will encourage bigger groups, more stagnation, less fight and more renting". Did the Stage 1s accept that? NOPE.

Result: Blue Donut of Death

Many times a change seemed to be aimed at the Goons. Anti-goons rejoiced. Goons themselves said "this isn't going to turn out how you think", the anti Goon types defaulted to "you just don't like the change because you know it's going to stop your ambitions" (they honeslty could not believe a goon would tell the truth, so they let themselves think the goons were lying) and on it went.

Result: goons got stronger and stronger and the anti-goons types bitterer and bitterer.

More recently change were aimed at gankers and awoxxers and the like. The folks who do that said " you know that's going to make us do it more right?". Stage 1s didn't listen, they rejoiced, YAY more ehp!.

Result: more ganking, awoxxing, scamming, blanket war deccing whatever.

It's like Stage 1s can't understand either the law of unintended consequences of the much more informal but no less true "'Malcanis' Law'". They can't understand that the way to beat styles of play you don't like is to organize, educate and outplay them, you can't get CCP to legislate away people you don't like, that just ticks them off and encourages them.

But every time you reveal this truth to them, they default to "you must be a ganker/wardeccer/goon whatever and are trying to trick me, so i'm going to dig my heals in". Some people are simply beyond help.

then waiting years before they are even ready to admit it...

That's your own fault if you're so bad at intel you can't figure out when someone is offline.

There's a few instances when that has been true but for the most part its not, and more often than not things are made worse by players adapting to situations of going hell bent on trying to make it worse as some kind of punishment for nerfing their playstyle. The funny thing is you guys do that then start whining when CCP lines you up for another nerf.

look baltec they needed to kill huge parts of the game so the super pilots felt safe and snug.


this isn't even on the merc end now the ppl that are deced have to assume all WT are online unlike before when you could take more risks when fewer were on slowing down gameplay on both sides

Back when jetcan piracy happened I would find a fleet of miners an drop a can of my own in the middle of them and wait for a pirate to grab it. I then attacked in my battletron V. Naturally I also swiped cans in it and fought whatever the miners brought.

You just don't see this anymore.

If they are actually evading though yeah 100% agreed.

Just randomly logging off with no way for me to know, for dinner is not evading is annoying.



Not free intel. I used the watchlist as it was available for the need. But I could handly do what I did before, by paying for it. Which is what I've been asking for the last year. I don't want the watchlist back. I couldn't give a flying **** about. I just want to know if a target I'm looking for is online when I want to know. If I need to pay a price for that I'm fine.

And if targets are mobile and bouncing around it's entirely possible to chase someone for 3 hours. I've done it before. It was annoying but worth it.



I do? I don't see what your point is. Just because I have targets that I'm decced with that will fight. Doesn't mean I have an easier time at finding them. Obviously.

They didn't. Track someone down, then when you're in the system that the locator agent said they were in, the locator agent still says they are there and they aren't in local, then they are offline. As usually you're massively exaggerating because you're sad that added effort.

That's not even remotely what I said. What I've said is you make it worse for yourselves because you purposely try to punish CCP when they do something you don't like by trying to make whatever they were trying to fix worse. Perhaps if you worked with CCP to improve the gameplay rather than desperately trying to retain effort free gameplay for yourselves at any cost, there'd be improvements you like. If you're just gonna sit around though pretending all is fine because it's not you that has to put up with being someone's playtoy in a game you pay to enjoy, don't expect CCP to back you up.

All CCP removed was the way to magically see if someone was online. They can still use locator agents to track down where people hang out and they can still declare war and shoot people. They just need to put in a bit of effort now instead of being handed free intel.[/quote]
Sure, I'd like to see go through a 100 man corp, locating 1 per 10 minutes, with no possible way to tell whether they're even active or not.[/quote]

Or you can go to lowsec or 0.0 and have some fun there, hold on I see you are in CVA, perhaps you like Honourable Third Parties... [/quote]
Nice try, but I find their gameplay as legit as any other.[/quote]

Yes of course you do, but that was not really my question, do you direct them on targets too?[/quote]
Given I'm not a locator agent, no.[/quote]


If you bothered to fly your own space ie Provi where CVA holds sovereignty you wouldn't need locator agents, there's targets galore, all day every day, or are those too hard?

There seems to be a lot of ill feeling down there towards your alliance, it's little wonder when you aren't even there to defend it....

Well if you don't do your intel gathering before hand it is your fault for chasing shadows, Eve is not supposed to be a game that holds your hand is it, or is it a game that holds the hands of certain people who call themselves content creators, even when it is naff content.

They were already blanket decking people, it just made everyone move to the most lazy option when an easy intel tool was removed from them. This has affected more than just hisec sec war deckers, it made dealing with BLOP's groups more difficult.