EVE General Discussion

As an industrialist, former suicide ganker, eye witness of Burn Jita, and someone who went into a mini-crusade against botters some years ago, I have to state that it is of my own opinion that these people who got ganked in the past while mining or hauling may have already known what they were getting into when they decided to mine or haul in very weak ships.

Let's also not forget Hulkageddon.

Source: https://tagn.wordpress.com/2012/05/30/hulkageddon-v-destruction-comes-to-an-end-mostly/

Hulkageddon was not some obscure event. Everyone seemed to have known about it. Some gankers would announce on local chat that ganking will commence on that system. Many publicly stating that they will create anti-ganker fleets, tank their barges, and even decide to just dock up and never show up to the asteroid or ice belts until the event was over. Others took to the forums to voice their displeasure about the event like this fellow...

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114321

So it's not like it was difficult for first-time mining players to catch on what was going on. I think there was a log-in screen message mentioning that the event was happening in Eve at the time. Of course, if you were a first-time miner at the time you were likely very safe from being ganked anyways since the primary targets were Hulks and Mackinaws which meant you had to be an experienced miner to be able to pilot those ships. And this was way before skill injectors were a thing.

Of course, suicide gankers were not immune to stupidity either. I mined during Hulkageddon and survive countless suicide ganks in a Hulk back when the Hulk was the king of tanked mining. I was even able to survive a Brutix suicide ganking me in an ice belt. Twice.

Stupid gankers failed to do simple things like quietly scanning my ship, not firing at the same time as a fleet when they were suppose to, not bringing in enough ships to overcome my tank or the ships they brought were not suitable for ganking, etc. I made sure that only the best and dedicated gankers would get me first. Unfortunately not every other miner thought like I did. They kept mining in weak ships at a time when everyone knew it was dangerous to be mining and that tanking is highly encouraged.

I was starting to wonder how many of the 7,600 wrecked mining vessels were controlled by botters during that event.

I could tell a long story that brought me to this belief but I won't bore everyone with that.

Basically, Eve Online is filled with min/maxer, one dimensional players. You could ask 10 people that log into Eve Online about what they do and you'd get 10 different answers. Each style of play has it's own little cultures and ethics and morals: NPSI, NRDS, NBSI.

So whatever your style or flavor, it's pretty typical of said Eve Online player to look down on another, regardless of what they do.

We have pointed to CCP's own data, you ignore it because it goes against your agenda.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Of course they are. Every argument they have has been easily shown to be wrong. They say ganking hurts player retention despite the fact CCP found that not only wasn't the case but also found that people who lose their ships to pvp stay longer. We also see that when EVE was growing at it fastest rate ganking was a lot easier and happened a lot more.

They say the risk to freighters is so high they sold their ships because its a guaranteed loss. This despite the fact that when we look at the largest data set available we see the chances of being ganked in a freighter stands at less than 0.2% per 1.5-2 million jumps in highsec. Statistically this is the same chance as your toaster killing you.

Blah, blah, blah....

CCP have made 3 balance passes on barges trying to make this pre fitted plan work and it just isn't. They are badly balanced both against each other and against the every other ship out there.

Well I start from a point of view of being respectful, but if someone starts being an ass then I give it back to them, there was one thread where I went after someone from the off, but I did add an edit that I was being a bit harsh with him. So yes holier then thou.

So many gankers and ganker aligned players sprout the same rubbish, the purity of Eve being one such line. For me Eve is a challenge, it should not be easy, I happen to think due to my activities in game doing AG stuff that some of the mechanics make it too easy for gankers and would like some hardness put in their face. For you lot that is what, changing the purity of Eve, for me they have already got around the purity of Eve for having such non-existent risk for such huge gains.

HTFU is CCP's tagline, however that should apply to everyone, especially gankers...

Well I paid for my accounts with RL money, I find grinding too much of a pain and I hate invention with a passion, I looked at certain things and decided that Eve was not worth supporting with RL cash due to CCP's failure in certain areas which is why from the 6th October you won't see me on the forums which will make you happy.

For me the fun part is seeing exactly what I expected to happen with their player base happening and yet I am sad because I put a lot of time into the game, had some great times and met a lot of great people, but not on the Eve forums... well some....

Having the option to be an ******* is great.

EvE must not ever remove it.

For it's the people acting like assholes that make those of us who act righteously appear that much better.

If it weren't for the people ganking dudes and dropping sideways insults trying to illicit tears, then no one would be able to tell I'm a much better person than them.

Thanks baddies for helping me look better via comparison.

Not really, since an inexperienced player will generally not be in a position to recover well from it. The best thing would be for them to get used to the concepts of the game and have an opportunity to speak to other players and start to like the game before getting ganked. See you and I, we know we like the game, so we get ganked or have something else negative happen that we were unaware of, we can happily move on having learned something new. Someone who hasn't decided if they are even getting any enjoyment out of it yet gets ganked, they have much less of a reason to bother carrying on.

As an example, I played RUST. I built a little shack with my rock in hand, all good. Went to bed woke up the next day to discover that some people had figured out how to get themselves through walls. they's got through my wall authed themselves to build then built a wall around the inside of my door. bam, I was done with rust, got it refunded. If that was a game I had played for a while and actually enjoyed, that decision would have been difficult, but there's no way I'll play a new game and persevere through gameplayI don't like. I play games to be entertained and they have a limited period to evidence they are capable of doing that.