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We need Caldari-Minmatar faction ships ASAP!

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The Sinister
Eve Minions
#1 - 2016-09-17 17:45:07 UTC
Come on CCP we have been waiting forever for this, when will you make it happen?

Caldari - Minmatar Faction is missing in game, content please!
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2016-09-17 18:04:48 UTC
Not exactly an urgent issue that needs dealing with.

And stop acting like CCP is your pet dog. It's ungrateful.
Dior Ambraelle
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-09-17 18:14:52 UTC
Mordu's Legion would have been perfect, shield and missiles are used by both, I would give them target painter effectiveness instead of warp disruption bonus.
However as a "theory" maybe we could figure out something that could work, I think this is an idea worth talking about.

First question: would a Minmatar group kidnap Caldari scientists or the scientists would seek refuge in Minmatar for some reason?

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Christopher Mabata
Cynosural Edge
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#4 - 2016-09-17 18:18:40 UTC
Pretty meh about this idea as a whole, weve got plenty of cross faction ships now, not to mention who would produce them?

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2016-09-17 18:36:45 UTC
Dior Ambraelle wrote:
Mordu's Legion would have been perfect, shield and missiles are used by both, I would give them target painter effectiveness instead of warp disruption bonus.
However as a "theory" maybe we could figure out something that could work, I think this is an idea worth talking about.

First question: would a Minmatar group kidnap Caldari scientists or the scientists would seek refuge in Minmatar for some reason?



IMO it'd be thukker tribe, aren't they supposed to use caldari tech anyway?
Akrasjel Lanate
Lanate Industries
#6 - 2016-09-17 18:49:32 UTC
Nope, there is no reason to have a balanced amount of racial mixed faction ships

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Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2016-09-17 18:55:56 UTC
Active shieldtanker with hybrids and enough paint to make them Railguns apply?

or sturdy shield resists with autocannons?

Are we just trying to design a ship 'for the heck of it', or did you have something in mind here? Please elaborate.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#8 - 2016-09-17 19:04:00 UTC
For the heck of it. As is always the case with these threads.

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The Sinister
Eve Minions
#9 - 2016-09-17 19:17:37 UTC
Active shield tanker with Railguns and fast speed sounds good!
The Sinister
Eve Minions
#10 - 2016-09-17 19:43:50 UTC  |  Edited by: The Sinister
Cadari bonus (per skill level):
10% bonus to Hybrid weapon optimal range

Minmatar bonus (per skill level):
7.5% bonus to shield booster amount

Role Bonus:
50% bonus to Hybrid turret damage
50% bonus to Hybrid turret tracking speed
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#11 - 2016-09-18 07:32:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Yep, that is something for the time when most of EVE's glaring and gameplay ruining issues have been ironed out, and features that have only been introduced half-finished completed (looking at you, Citadels, Industry, citadel contracts).

Instead of wasting time on yet another lackadaisical feature, CCP ought to concentrate their entire workforce on fixing the features we have at hand, so that we can move on to actually concentrate on introducing new things the right way sooner.

However, a long range rail platform of Minmatar/Caldari origin in combination with Mordu's long range missile/warp disruption platform sounds quite powerful.

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#12 - 2016-09-18 13:09:26 UTC
Pirate ships are now meant to have unique bonuses. Something that makes them special.

Angel warpspeed
Serp web str
Gurista super drone
Mordu missile speed
Blood vamps
Sansha ab bonus (ok not that special)

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Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2016-09-18 13:28:51 UTC
... ECM painter?

... sigradius penalty for shield extenders doesn't apply / 5% sig reduction per level?
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#14 - 2016-09-18 14:59:31 UTC
Thukker Tribe comes up often given their cooperation with Ishukone on the development of the Rhea. On the other hand, Thukker are now part of the Republic and several of their designs developed by Thukker Mix are part of the Minmatar fleet - Nomad, Jaguar, Vagabond, Panther and Cheetah.

The only other faction I can think of that might work is Ammatar Mandate, perhaps working with Khanid Kingdom engineers to bolt some Caldari technology onto a Minmatar design
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#15 - 2016-09-18 15:33:29 UTC
Can't believe no one has suggested pirate faction shield logistics ship
Dior Ambraelle
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2016-09-18 20:05:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Dior Ambraelle
Rowells wrote:
Can't believe no one has suggested pirate faction shield logistics ship

This is a good point. SOE while also being a "pirate" faction optimized their ships for exploration. Why can't we have mostly fleet support faction ships?
Minmatar generally goes with either armor or shield, these ships could have remote and non-remote armor and shield boosts, while getting e-war bonuses from the Caldari side.

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Deckel
Black Thorne Corporation
#17 - 2016-11-04 05:52:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Deckel
I think the role being as either a Support ship or Pirate hauler ship would be a great fit for the Minmatar/Caldari cross since, like SOE, it does not need to be a dedicated combat ship.

Just throwing this out there as a cross combat hauler:

Role Bonus: +50% effectiveness of Hull upgrade modules (Expanded Cargoholds, Nanofiber Internal Structures, Reinforced Bulkheads)
Warp Speed +50%

Minmatar bonus 4% bonus to hull damage resistance per level
Caldari Bonus 1km range bonus to Smartbomb and ECM Burst per level.


Ship fitting will be a fight for the lowslots to utilize hull tanking and utility as a transporter, but can still be fitted for a unique use in fleet combat for AOE effects. I would also be tempted to put a generic turret rate of fire or optimal range bonus just in case the user does not want smartbombs for all their highslot weapons.

Possible fleet hanger and a natural warp core strength of 2


Other possible suggestion, more for a Support ship would be the following:
-increases in remote tracking, remote Capacitor Transmitter, remote sensor boosting, and/or signal distortion amplifier
-Warfare Links
-Increased Salvaging/tractor Range/Speed
-Increases to Remote Hull Repair
Deckel
Black Thorne Corporation
#18 - 2016-11-04 06:53:36 UTC
Rowells wrote:
Can't believe no one has suggested pirate faction shield logistics ship


No, not shield logistics, Hull Logistics. That is the way to go as the only one not currently out there.

This concept is so Pirate that I think it just has to be done, and who better than a hybrid with Minmatar scrappers to pull it off

To pull this off I think the following stats would be needed:

Role Bonus:

50% increase in remote hull repairer cycle time
100% bonus in remote hull repairer repair amount
reduction in Remote Hull repairer CPU
reduction in remote hull repair powergrid

Minmatar bonus
20% bonus to logistic Drone per level
30% bonus to Remote Hull Repairer optimal range and falloff per level
50% bonus to remote hull repairer amount when overheated per level
4% bonus to hull damage resistance per level

Caldari Bonus
Reduction in Remote Hull Repairer Activation Cost
Reduction in Remote Hull Repairer heat damage
Bonus to remote sensor booster and/or signal distortion amplifier


It will be weaker, slower and have less range in terms of repair compared to standard logi, but come with an added bonus of a massive overheat boost, which for hull tanked bricks could be nice
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#19 - 2016-11-04 07:56:59 UTC
It'd probably be broken as ****, but an interesting thukker style pirate ship could have an mjd that travels towards its target rather than straight ahead.

Dramatically reduce range, reduce spool up time and cool down. Give it a blaster bonus. = surprise butt sex

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#20 - 2016-11-04 08:30:52 UTC
what niche would they fill? or is this just a "It wud beh cool"
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