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[March] Cap Battery Tiericide

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FT Cold
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#181 - 2016-03-11 19:07:39 UTC
Well, they're better than they were, but I still don't really think that they're great for the designed purpose. I think that we might find them used of a few niche fits, especially oversized batteries on HACs, but they're still going to be of limited use. What we really needed was, as was suggested several times on this thread, was for the cap bonus to be on the order of the module's ship size class's base cap, similar to how armor plates work, and for there to be a cap regeneration penalty and larger power grid requirement to balance it.

As an example, a large cap battery could require 2000 PWG, give 8000 GJ, and would give the ship a 50% increase in cap recharge time. This would allow battleships to actually 'tank' their capacitors in a way that makes it very difficult to neut them out and makes batteries an attractive alternative to cap boosters, or gives new options with the combination of a cap booster and battery.

Small ships like frigates need to have enough capacitor buffer with a battery to withstand a cycle from a heavy neut to be effective. Current numbers are far to small to make them an attractive choice against boosters, which for frigates can completely refresh their cap in one cycle.

Anyhow, I'm glad you've chimed in a few times foz, I'll be interested to see what other uses people come up with for these. Hopefully they're more useful than I think they're going to be.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#182 - 2016-03-13 13:01:27 UTC
Frigates tank heavy neuts fine, because of the cycle time being so long. Sure, you might have a hairy time fiddling scram and prop and DCU (though, not anymore!) ccles when your cap gets alpha'ed but...actually, no, it's easy enough. You're there to get tackle, and maybe die. A heavy neut isn't going to prevent that, what with the recharge rate on a frigate.

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Doomheim
#183 - 2016-03-13 16:56:51 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
H3llHound wrote:
Fozzie, i want to ask again because my question wasnt answered...Will the Semiconductor Rig (eventually) get the same energy warface resistance?


I won't rule anything out for the future, but we don't have any firm plans to go over those rigs right now.




Don't count on it H3llHound, apparently Icelandic has no word for "consistency".
FT Cold
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#184 - 2016-03-13 23:54:25 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Frigates tank heavy neuts fine, because of the cycle time being so long. Sure, you might have a hairy time fiddling scram and prop and DCU (though, not anymore!) ccles when your cap gets alpha'ed but...actually, no, it's easy enough. You're there to get tackle, and maybe die. A heavy neut isn't going to prevent that, what with the recharge rate on a frigate.


A heavy neut is one of the best weapons a battleship has vs a frigate because it can alpha it's cap. Knocking a frigate's capacitor to zero in one shot disables it's prop mod, AAR, tackle, and in some cases DPS and puts it's cap regen at it's minimum value. For a battleship, this potentially means escape if you're aligned, pulling range and blapping, or a quick kill vs AAR fits with drones.
Thuggish BluntBlowin
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#185 - 2016-04-01 16:55:41 UTC
F*CK YOU EVE I'm gone for 2 weeks and you destroy EVERY PVE fit I fly as a Minmatar pilot ty soooooooo much every time I get in on a good fit a month later you f*ckin scrap it! good by vagabond low sec PVE .. JUST FORCE US TO NULL the only thing any of these updates are accomplishing is removing players who do ANYTHING SOLO PVP or PVE.
Shalashaska Adam
Snakes and Lasers
#186 - 2016-04-03 07:52:10 UTC
These new large batteries make for some quite impressive new pve omnitank fits that were not possible to mount before.
Gary Webb
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#187 - 2016-04-03 23:52:51 UTC
@CCPFozzie Am i just ******** or are there no sleeper sites in WH on SISI? This is the best place I can think to test the capabilites in a real application but I cant for the life of me find any sites!
Araceli Gabriela
Infinite Density
#188 - 2016-04-06 14:30:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Araceli Gabriela
Shalashaska Adam wrote:
These new large batteries make for some quite impressive new pve omnitank fits that were not possible to mount before.


Yeah after tootling around in EFT I discovered a large cap battery actually increased my regen on a maraurder better than 2x rechargers did. That freed up a critical mid slot that suddenly made it the very best ship possible in isk/hr (for the particular pve I was doing).

So that's cool. However my question is does the "neut resistance" apply to sleepers? Would be very important to know before hitting bastion. I know it didn't used to but that's when it was called reflection? Sorry I'm sure this has been answered too.

PVE is my least favorite part of the game so ironically I spend a lot of time trying to make it go by as fast as possible.

edit: Nevermind, it appears to be an EFT bug
Troubled Basterd
Island Life Capitalist Bastards
#189 - 2016-05-04 12:15:26 UTC
I was just wondering where/how the faction mods drop. Wat drops the faction cap batteries and is it a bleuprint or a full module?

Thanks

o/
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#190 - 2016-06-15 11:56:03 UTC
After some time to fiddle with the batteries, I still think the neut resistance is set too weak and I would propose to increase the base resistance of the tech 1 mod to 25% and having the tech 2 mod at 30%.

The fitting for the capital ones are somewhat tight. CPU is okay but a tad less powergrid would go a long way.

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Arix Petra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#191 - 2016-09-09 19:07:16 UTC
can you guys give t2 cap batteries increase neut defence against npc neuting?
FT Cold
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#192 - 2016-09-15 19:28:17 UTC
Still no chance of an oversized cap batter for battleships?
Pattern Clarc
Citeregis
#193 - 2016-11-17 22:53:01 UTC
X-Large batteries for battleships pls

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