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Is the 100MN HAM Tengu viable for PVE ?
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Federigo Mondial
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-09-15 14:51:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Federigo Mondial
This alt used to be what I used to earn some money on the side.
But then I went away for years and now I am back to gloat at for the F2P storm.
So might as well have some fun while waiting.

Now bear in mind my old fit was a HML fit that was made pre-nerf.
I know I can convert it easily to HAMs but I want to be a little more creative this time..
So just to ask, would this build be any effective for good old level 4 bashing ?


Tengu - 100 MN

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Reactor Control Unit II

Federation Navy 100MN Afterburner
Stasis Webifier II
Phased Scoped Target Painter
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Pithi C-Type Small Shield Booster

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst



Pros
It's fast. Going 1570 m/s is fun, even though I can't turn much ?
I have everything that is needed (probably need to find my caldari BCUs, somewhere)
Damage application should be no issue (66 explosion velocity with navy scourge before TP and web)


Cons
Low DPS with only 5 launchers. With scourge rage it is just passable at 730+ DPS with my skills. 620ish with Navy scourge.
Extremely short range (duh i have no range rigs except a +3% missile velocity implant)
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#2 - 2016-09-15 15:56:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
Your rigors may stack penalty. I have always liked 1 rigor, 1 flare on my tengu's. There is lots of math and debate on this...I do middle of the road lol.


4 BCU's may stack. I know some say even small dps is better than none. I stick to 3 max personally, your mileage may vary. Depending on how far gone I have to ask...do you know of the new missile mods? 4th BCU could be missile guidance enhancer for better application/range.

You can also get range with a missile guidance computer (mgc) in mids. Scripts to range or precision. iF pressed into corner I'd say lose the web for it. MGC will get you better application at all ranges with precision scripting . Or will boost your range a bit worth that script. MGC will stack with the rigs, just a heads up. Lots of people like it all the same.

Or splurge if you can for FN web, can get you out to 14km webs.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-09-15 15:59:24 UTC
Probably won't be easy to fly with short range missiles and the agility of a beached whale

You can mitigate plenty of damage with a regular 10mn, you only really see 100mn fits for pvp

I would stick to HMLs they ain't that bad

Art of Explosions
Federigo Mondial
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2016-09-15 16:02:00 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Probably won't be easy to fly with short range missiles and the agility of a beached whale

You can mitigate plenty of damage with a regular 10mn, you only really see 100mn fits for pvp

I would stick to HMLs they ain't that bad


That is part of the "fun part" :P
After all it is boring to have same old 6x HML/HAM fits.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#5 - 2016-09-15 16:06:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Probably won't be easy to fly with short range missiles and the agility of a beached whale

You can mitigate plenty of damage with a regular 10mn, you only really see 100mn fits for pvp

I would stick to HMLs they ain't that bad



my preferred route. Some missions in empire you can start the killing way the hell out vanilla t1.



OP, where will you be killing rats? Empire missions or 0.0? Empire missions a 10mn (even t2) will get enough speed to sig/speed tank well. Kill web rats with extreme prejudice, you don't want to slow down.

edit: see you are going for spicing it up...I can dig that lol, do that from time to time myself.
Federigo Mondial
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2016-09-15 16:31:25 UTC
Zan Shiro wrote:
Your rigors may stack penalty. I have always liked 1 rigor, 1 flare on my tengu's. There is lots of math and debate on this...I do middle of the road lol.


4 BCU's may stack. I know some say even small dps is better than none. I stick to 3 max personally, your mileage may vary. Depending on how far gone I have to ask...do you know of the new missile mods? 4th BCU could be missile guidance enhancer for better application/range.

You can also get range with a missile guidance computer (mgc) in mids. Scripts to range or precision. iF pressed into corner I'd say lose the web for it. MGC will get you better application at all ranges with precision scripting . Or will boost your range a bit worth that script. MGC will stack with the rigs, just a heads up. Lots of people like it all the same.

Or splurge if you can for FN web, can get you out to 14km webs.


Ah i just check them out.
Apparently they are equals to the TE and TCs for missiles.
So this is a lot more interesting.

Also good call on the web, allows me to web annoying stuff before they web me.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#7 - 2016-09-16 01:56:00 UTC
The only possible benefit I see, is you get experience flying the thing against NPC's. Then if you use it in PvP you might have a better understanding of its ability.

But strictly for NPC/ISK, I think you're trying to re-invent the wheel.
10MN and Heavies lets you hit targets from a long way out. The flying time saved, makes up for the lower DPS. The range helps you tank.

When I want HAM's and speed, I use an MWD. You can control your ship better than a 100MN fit.
Federigo Mondial
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#8 - 2016-09-16 03:38:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Federigo Mondial
RavenPaine wrote:
The only possible benefit I see, is you get experience flying the thing against NPC's. Then if you use it in PvP you might have a better understanding of its ability.

But strictly for NPC/ISK, I think you're trying to re-invent the wheel.
10MN and Heavies lets you hit targets from a long way out. The flying time saved, makes up for the lower DPS. The range helps you tank.

When I want HAM's and speed, I use an MWD. You can control your ship better than a 100MN fit.


Not really reinventing the wheel, but spicing things up.

But HMLs / HAMs imo both have their own applications.
In missions that drop me into rooms that are 40km or less, I will get a lot more mileage out of HAMs for sure, rather than HML. For others HML would do a lot better.

But yeah, I am aware that I will be sacrificing ISK/LP per hr if I am going to fly a Tengu that doesn't have 6 launchers as standard.
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#9 - 2016-09-16 10:46:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
upgrade your repper to an a-type aswell as using a small repper you will come under quite a bit incoming dps on some missions, especially at close range (my experience with tengus is the small repper is more suited with hml's as you have the range and speed as most of your tank), dont really need a web so id change that for a missile guidance computer, i prefer hml's personally but each to their own

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