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[GalFed] Villore Assembly resolution on the crowning of Empress Catiz

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Jin'taan
Death Squad Sektor B
Paper Numbers
#181 - 2016-09-09 17:42:30 UTC
Whilst I am somewhat late to this discussion, I will point out that, as haughty, arrogant, or otherwise distateful many members may find the request of the Villore Assembly, the ultimate decision simply lays with the Empire and her Diplomatic Corps. Should they feel the works of the VA would award them such recognition, I would hope no loyal subject of the Empire would broke argument, and surely would not stoop to the level of attacking guests of the Empire. Equally, if they are refused, I imagine the VA would understand, given that they are a capsuleer organisation, and - should what they say ring true - as a diplomatic group, graciously accept their status as normal guests of the ceremony. Simply put, I struggle to see why the hell you all give a damn.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#182 - 2016-09-09 17:50:53 UTC
I find your unwillingness to place the final decision in God's hands to be upsetting and offensive to my misunderstanding of the Amarr culture. Therefore I must request that you commit ritual suicide until such time as I decide my position can't be defended, so I was clearly talking to someone else, and why are you looking at me like that?
William Danneskjold
#183 - 2016-09-09 17:55:15 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
I find your unwillingness to place the final decision in God's hands to be upsetting and offensive to my misunderstanding of the Amarr culture. Therefore I must request that you commit ritual suicide until such time as I decide my position can't be defended, so I was clearly talking to someone else, and why are you looking at me like that?


Because I find your brand of posting to be strangely attractive and revolting at the same time.

I forgot to respond earlier.

I find there to be two brands of honest. You go to a piano recital. The pianist is not good. You have a man in the crowd, who screams "YOU SUCK" to the pianist. The pianist is told he sucks, and has no way to improve it.

You have another man who says after, "Sir, your piano playing is not good. Here is what's wrong with it, and how to improve."

Many in this thread have offered the latter, however, there was a spread of the former. The latter is honest, open, and constructive. The former is closing, destructive, and helps nobody except the poster's ego.

War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#184 - 2016-09-09 18:00:11 UTC
William Danneskjold wrote:
Because I find your brand of posting to be strangely attractive and revolting at the same time.


Arrendis wrote:
Well, you know, Goons tend to grow on you...


... like a fungus.


Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#185 - 2016-09-09 18:03:17 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
I find your unwillingness to place the final decision in God's hands to be upsetting and offensive to my misunderstanding of the Amarr culture. Therefore I must request that you commit ritual suicide until such time as I decide my position can't be defended, so I was clearly talking to someone else, and why are you looking at me like that?

Marry me.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

William Danneskjold
#186 - 2016-09-09 18:03:22 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
William Danneskjold wrote:
Because I find your brand of posting to be strangely attractive and revolting at the same time.


Arrendis wrote:
Well, you know, Goons tend to grow on you...


... like a fungus.




That's why my thinking's getting fuzzy.

War is murder. It always has been, always will be. Murder in the name of God. Freedom. Your country. Whatever it is, it is murder. I am already against the next set of wars.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#187 - 2016-09-09 20:07:35 UTC
What part of auto-erotic asphyxiation says I need your piano wire?
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#188 - 2016-09-09 20:11:18 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
What part of auto-erotic asphyxiation says I need your piano wire?

What part of abusive says you get a choice? :)

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#189 - 2016-09-11 01:49:56 UTC
Jin'taan wrote:
Whilst I am somewhat late to this discussion, I will point out that, as haughty, arrogant, or otherwise distateful many members may find the request of the Villore Assembly, the ultimate decision simply lays with the Empire and her Diplomatic Corps. Should they feel the works of the VA would award them such recognition, I would hope no loyal subject of the Empire would broke argument, and surely would not stoop to the level of attacking guests of the Empire. Equally, if they are refused, I imagine the VA would understand, given that they are a capsuleer organisation, and - should what they say ring true - as a diplomatic group, graciously accept their status as normal guests of the ceremony. Simply put, I struggle to see why the hell you all give a damn.

I think it is just them yelling "We gallente, look at us and do as we told".

And I prefer to look at them through reticles of my ship turrets.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#190 - 2016-09-12 13:38:08 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:


And I prefer to look at them through reticles of my ship turrets.

This seems to imply that you manually aim your ships turrets. That's talent...

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#191 - 2016-09-12 17:27:01 UTC
I wasn't really planning on getting involved in this thread, but since I've gotten everything off of my plate for the morning and have a bit of time, I might as well weigh in.

First, Jin'taan has the right of it. The amount of energy wasted by people throwing a fit over the resolution, none of whom have any say over its acceptance or acknowledgement by actually relevant parties - regardless of whether those parties are from the Federation or the Empire - was utterly ridiculous, and people really ought to be ashamed of themselves.

Second, I feel it worth noting that while Hive operations typically see, engage, and destroy an average of perhaps eight to ten Drifter vessels per trip, for Dogma and Fight Club's operations during the Throne Worlds campaign, it was normal to see several hundred of those vessels destroyed in a single fleet operation, at a rate of thirteen or fourteen per individual engagement and with zero losses save the occasional Hyena, or more frequently, drone.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Teinyhr
Ourumur
#192 - 2016-09-13 16:43:40 UTC
So what exactly compelled you to contribute nothing to this discussion days after it was considered relevant and waste so much of this precious energy you care so much about? You really ought to be ashamed of yourself.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#193 - 2016-09-13 17:02:39 UTC
Besides the fact that it annoyed you enough to make an unnecessarily hostile post?

Correcting someone on an inaccurate statement about a subject I am far more intimately familiar with than they are, and publicly stating my agreement with and support of Jin'taan's view of the matter, as an Observer in the Assembly who participated in the process for the resolution in the first place.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Teinyhr
Ourumur
#194 - 2016-09-13 18:19:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Teinyhr
People keep calling me hostile when I respond to them with the same condescending tone they use to address people who do not agree with them. Most curious. Well, its not really that curious, but you get the idea.

Fine, want to hear some words with actual hostile intent behind them? From where I'm standing the whole topic has been nothing but a sad circlejerk where Villore Assembly and their sympathisers pat eachothers on the back for making a completely pointless resolution - which many of them and you yourself have now acknowledged, that they have no actual power on the matter at all themselves. Then when someone dared to point this out, there come the complaints that "you are being too pedantic, what are just a few words, we meant good," blah blah.

If these people had just owned up to the fact that they made a mistake, that would have been the end of it.

Instead, when Pilot Onzo raised a legitimate concern over the wording of the resolution, signees and affiliates of the Assembly just decided to brush it away as being too pedantic and by the book. When I offered my support to his views I was likewise being scolded off for daring to say anything. At this point, we both had remained completely civil.

However right after this, then, Assembly spokesperson and their affiliates, start getting really angry about being questioned, using condescending remarks "laughable", "you forget your places", "well what did you ever do for galactic peace" etc. Its all right there, go back and read it.
This was about the point where I lost my patience and appreciation for pleasantries as they were likewise not wasted towards me or any of the other people who felt that this resolution had stepped out of its place as well.
Then a certain someone decided to start reading something on the resolution that wasn't even there, and complains how can I not see it, and again, flat out keeps insulting me.

Then one certain uppity Vherokior pilot tries to shame me out of the discussion by appealing to intertribal politics and customs, forgetting that since I am a capsuleer, they affect me as much as I allow them to affect me. By the way, my clan has not disowned me yet, altough I frankly doubt they or other baseliners actually care about capsuleer quarrels enough to do so. Last I heard their businesses continue as usual. This is about the point where I shedded any last remnants of trying to appear polite, as evident in my response to him.

Then there is you, last in a long line who comes to complain about people complaining. You could have just left your note about drifter operations and leave, but no, you just had to take one last dig when things had already settled down and nobody really gave a damn anymore.

Sorry not sorry.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#195 - 2016-09-13 19:02:44 UTC
And yet... none of that requires you to be snippy or snarky with me.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Teinyhr
Ourumur
#196 - 2016-09-13 19:14:52 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
And yet... none of that requires you to be snippy or snarky with me.


I suppose you are right, you had not offended me personally, and I apologize thusly for my harsh reaction.
Surely you understand though, that echoing the same drivel with the same condescending and dismissive tone most other participants in this discussion had done previously, you did not exactly come forth in perfect form yourself.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#197 - 2016-09-13 21:46:33 UTC
Like anyone, I feel no particular shame or compunction when a bunch of warhawks who do everything they can to profit from war start talking big about their record on peaceful initiatives.

That's why I'm not surprised when people poke fun at me for doing it. People like Villore Accords and myself absolutely have things of value to bring to the peace table, but let's not start strutting about and pretending that we're anything but poorly leashed hounds.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#198 - 2016-09-13 23:42:26 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Like anyone, I feel no particular shame or compunction when a bunch of warhawks who do everything they can to profit from war start talking big about their record on peaceful initiatives.

That's why I'm not surprised when people poke fun at me for doing it. People like Villore Accords and myself absolutely have things of value to bring to the peace table, but let's not start strutting about and pretending that we're anything but poorly leashed hounds.
You know, occasionally I actually like you, Pieter.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#199 - 2016-09-14 01:41:04 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:


And I prefer to look at them through reticles of my ship turrets.

This seems to imply that you manually aim your ships turrets. That's talent...


Only a really special person can manually aim at a speck of light moving at the velocity of 1.2km/s 15-20km away and still be able to hit it with anything resembling accuracy.

Such a person does not exist.

Fire control directors, dammit!

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#200 - 2016-09-15 13:55:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
Elmund Egivand wrote:

Only a really special person can manually aim at a speck of light moving at the velocity of 1.2km/s 15-20km away and still be able to hit it with anything resembling accuracy.

Such a person does not exist.

Fire control directors, dammit!

Primitive tribal savages.
They can't realize that to watch through gun targetting reticle all you need to do is to place camera along the gun barrel and connect it to ship interface, that is eventually accessible through capsule interface. And that's why you don't hire minmatar engineers. And probably that's the reason minmatar ships have largest crews among ships of other nations. Minmatar engineers are so damn unimaginative!

And instead of finding technological solution they discuss possibility of manual labor...

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.