EVE General Discussion

Well, this kinda depends on the situation though. If I am in warp flying through Innia or any other of those big ass systems, and I would wait for the warp to end and dock up while my son is trying to climb up on something high, I am pretty sure my wife would kill me :D. So just wanted to say it is not always possible to dock up first. I on the other hand also don't complain if someone kills me in game during that time... because it is just pixels.

Bit of a click bait title but hear me out...

I recently had a wander around highsec and noticed where once there where fleets of hulks and covs there are now only procs and skiffs. Even when supported by an orca the hulk is pretty much extinct.

Started to wonder why. Thinking back to my first encounter with a suicide ganker i was a newbie fresh into my first barge. A covertor. Solo jetcan minimg in a 0.5 system. Needless to say the cat melted my barge. After having a convo with the ganker i was told about how profitable covs are to gankers. And how i should alter my play style to make myself "not worth the effort"

So after that incident i had a much better idea of skills needed, ships to fly and so on. I bought a proc. Tanked the thing as best i could and went back to mining never bothered by gankers again.

One small problem. The soft targets (hulk and cov) need constant micro management. The proc just sits there until it fills up. Meaning i either tabbed out or went afk.

Thats what seems to have happened in highsec. No one flies the busy ships because they weak and the stronger ships need little to no micro management. So as a result miners arnt at thier keyboards. The dont start convos in local. They dont form a comunity. To me this seems wrong.

The way i see it there are 2 possable solutions CCP and CODE

1: ccp needs to a bit of a swap with the barges. The tanky bricks should be micro management heavy and the tinfoil ships more "afk ish" this might keep people at thier keyboards and interacting with each other.

2: CODE right now code targets the paper barges. And who can blame them? Easy money. If code where to make a point of killing procs and skiffs (yeah i know how many ships that would take) and leave the hulks and covs alone it might kickstart a comunity in highsec.


Any thoughts anyone?

'asteroid is defeated'

AFK mining is done with scripts.)

Any thoughts anyone?

That's good for you, but why should that mean the game should go out of it's way to prevent people going AFK? If you go AFK you run the risk of getting blown up. Most people accept this risk and take the necessary precautions. What the OP wants is mechanics changes so going AFK is punished without the need for other players intervention.

Lucas, I did not say passive/AFK isk is bad, all I'm saying is that it comes with the risk. You can AFK mine now too, and it's not 'wrong' in any sense, but it is 'rightly so' that there is risk of being ganked by not paying attention.

Out of other things you listed, PI is the only one that's pretty risk free, so that could be looked into. But PI requires moving stuff to hubs to sell, and it's usually during the transportation that risk is present, even more so considering that more profitable PI harvesting is done in less secure space. You could point at PI factories in high sec, but that requires a lot more micromanagement than PI harvesting.

Regarding things like moon mining and trading being passive ISK, both come with great risk. If you set up huge order and go afk for few months you cannoy react to sudden market changes and can suffer heavy loss. For moon mining, taking control of and protecting profitable moons are no easy task - at least in a sense that it will usually require team effort.

As I said, you can afk mine or rat or whatever all you want, the game allows for it. But my point was that afk mining AND wishig for less risk doesn't fly as an argument.