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Battle Report: Ardishapur Prime, 118.09.08, 0100-0130 hours

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Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#21 - 2016-09-09 06:20:20 UTC
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:
Should we inform the trillions of Matari descended residents in the Empire that their wellbeing is none of your concern?

Oh no you don't slaver. You don't get to have it both ways. When we liberate those Matari whom you're now shedding crocodile tears for you claim they're imperial citizens culturally more Amarrian than Minmatar and are better off in your empire yet, when we agree that they are indeed "your people" you attempt to throw it in our faces that we don't care about our once kin.

So which is it? You can't have your cake and eat it too, imperial.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#22 - 2016-09-09 08:24:32 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:
Should we inform the trillions of Matari descended residents in the Empire that their wellbeing is none of your concern?

Oh no you don't slaver. You don't get to have it both ways. When we liberate those Matari whom you're now shedding crocodile tears for you claim they're imperial citizens culturally more Amarrian than Minmatar and are better off in your empire yet, when we agree that they are indeed "your people" you attempt to throw it in our faces that we don't care about our once kin.

So which is it? You can't have your cake and eat it too, imperial.

You won't liberate anything, criminal scum.

They are Imperial citizens or Imperial property, your attempt to kidnap or seizure them will be met by deadly force, and I myself will risk my own life defending innocent Imperial citizens from bullies like you.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#23 - 2016-09-09 13:34:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Alizabeth Vea
Commander Kim, this isn't the thread. Ms. Rella comes in here to snipe and snark. There's no debate to be had with her. Nothing will change her mind; so don't try. The solution really is to just ignore her.

Of course, you both are bumping this thread to the top, so . . . have at it, actually!

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Moonacre Parmala
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2016-09-12 07:34:49 UTC
From a Caldari fighting alongside the Matar, Excellent victories against the drifters.

I've lost several ships to their fleets and will gladly set aside differences to assist against the universal treat they pose.

To fly against them without loss is both impressive and inspiring. Fly safe and shoot well.

Law Number III: There are no lazy veteran lion hunters.

Law Number VI: A hungry dog hunts best. A hungrier dog hunts even better.

Law Number XXXVIII: The early bird gets the worm. The early worm....gets eaten.

If in doubt , SHOOT !

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#25 - 2016-09-12 21:35:36 UTC
Amarr Victor.







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Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#26 - 2016-09-12 21:51:29 UTC
Now you're doing it on purpose. Really now.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#27 - 2016-09-13 16:43:23 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Now you're doing it on purpose. Really now.


No, see, those are close brackets, therefore, I am in fact, defusing the tension on the IGS.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#28 - 2016-09-13 17:26:48 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:
Should we inform the trillions of Matari descended residents in the Empire that their wellbeing is none of your concern?

Oh no you don't slaver. You don't get to have it both ways. When we liberate those Matari whom you're now shedding crocodile tears for you claim they're imperial citizens culturally more Amarrian than Minmatar and are better off in your empire yet, when we agree that they are indeed "your people" you attempt to throw it in our faces that we don't care about our once kin.

So which is it? You can't have your cake and eat it too, imperial.

I think you just hate the Amarr and are willing to selectively use your kin as an excuse to justify that rage. Just to confirm, when it comes to lamenting our shepherding of the Matari through the purifying sacraments of the Faith you're very concerned about them up to and including the desire for a war of "liberation" with blood spent and spilled but when it comes to defending the same residents from actual enemies you're much more the attitude of "meh, not my problem"?

How's that cake?

"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#29 - 2016-09-13 18:41:17 UTC
I do hate your practices, slaver but you don't know a damned thing about me so you can take your condescension and snark and shove it.

I've never called for a war against your people. I dare you to provide proof to the contrary. I've only ever called for your people to renounce the slave trade and the so-called reclaiming and leave the rest of the cluster alone.

As to these "actual enemies" I've fought alongside pilots of all nationalities against the Sansha, Angels and more recently the Serpentis. All of the groups I've named posed a clear and present threat to the Tribes and I'm more than happy to defend against them. The Drifters have so far only attacked your empire and people. They pose an existential threat to your people, not mine. However, if they begin aggressive operations in Matari space you can rest assured that I and others will deal with them.

My cake is quite tasty. Perhaps I can offer you some crow to go along with yours?

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#30 - 2016-09-13 19:34:44 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
I do hate your practices, slaver but you don't know a damned thing about me so you can take your condescension and snark and shove it.

I've never called for a war against your people. I dare you to provide proof to the contrary. I've only ever called for your people to renounce the slave trade and the so-called reclaiming and leave the rest of the cluster alone.

As to these "actual enemies" I've fought alongside pilots of all nationalities against the Sansha, Angels and more recently the Serpentis. All of the groups I've named posed a clear and present threat to the Tribes and I'm more than happy to defend against them. The Drifters have so far only attacked your empire and people. They pose an existential threat to your people, not mine. However, if they begin aggressive operations in Matari space you can rest assured that I and others will deal with them.

My cake is quite tasty. Perhaps I can offer you some crow to go along with yours?

You're doing it again. You say that all you want is to reorder our society to meet your liking then you say that you can wash your hands of the consequences of Drifter attacks because you don't consider the Matari in the Empire as your "people". So going forward I recommend that when someone asks your opinion on Drifters you say "not my problem because they're not in the Republic" and when someone asks your opinion on slaves you say "not my problem because they're not in the Republic".

And I will relieve you of some of that cake. With that foot in your mouth too you're on your way to a stomachache.

"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#31 - 2016-09-13 20:12:14 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
The Drifters have so far only attacked your empire and people. They pose an existential threat to your people, not mine. However, if they begin aggressive operations in Matari space you can rest assured that I and others will deal with them.


Ms. Rella?

It's not just the Empire and State that are involved in this work. We've got independents and FDU, as well. We even get at least one from Ushra'Khan.

To see why, though, it's not really enough for us to just try to explain. Some things words and static images can't convey very well.

So-- come with us? Please?

The next ARC Drifter operation is on the 17th at 2000 hours UVT. Come with us; see the Hive, and the Nexus. If you still believe the Drifters are no threat, after, I won't have a lot more to say. But you ought to see.

Everyone should.
Felise Selunix
Keyholder Investment Group
#32 - 2016-09-14 03:09:47 UTC
Just wanted to drop by to add my voice to the chorus of congrats to all pilots and support staff involved. Smashing good show! Definitely an example of bravery and skill. Kudos!

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#33 - 2016-09-14 05:00:27 UTC
I mean, honestly it is pretty good money for the investment of time to boot.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Matar Ronin
#34 - 2016-10-04 16:03:44 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
At approximately 00:00 hours, 118.09.08, an 8-ship SFRIM cruiser fleet (plus command ship-based warfare link support) under command of Evocatus Alizabeth set out for Ardishapur Prime. Our intention was a test run for purely offensive operations against Vigilant Tyrannos forces on their home territory using the "heavy weasel" doctrine in hopes of suppressing Drifter activity ahead of the impending coronation of Empress Catiz. We entered Drifter space through one of their manufactured wormholes, infiltrated the Sentinel Hive, and destroyed the Hikanta Tyrannos in the Hive chamber, suffering no losses.

On our return to the exit wormhole at approximately 01:00 hours, our support command ship pilot reported Vigilant Tyrannos battleships on the Ardishapur Prime side. Since the fleet had encountered no such warships aside from the Hikanta and the Drifters seemed to be moving slowly enough to pose a threat to our command ship, as it would decloak before they were likely to leave, the order was given to jump through and engage.

We engaged and destroyed the Drifters, and took what we could from the wrecks. However, as we prepared to depart, two additional Drifters arrived just as an attempted fleet warp failed. One of our three logistics craft, flown by FC, along with three of our five attack craft, warped out, while Drifters tackled and engaged the logistics vessel piloted by Neophyte Daisha Voluptia. The remaining attack ships, including Directrix Lunarisse Daphiti, tackled and tracking-disrupted the attacking Drifters while the third logistics vessel, flown by Adept Eternal Guardian, provided repair to Neophyte Voluptia, stabilizing her defenses until the Evocatus and the rest of our attack wing could return to the field. We then engaged and destroyed the Drifters.

During the fight, a wing of four Circadian Seekers appeared on the field and engaged us. Having dealt with the Drifters, we immediately turned our weapons on these, only to be almost immediately engaged by another two Drifters, which we destroyed, but which were immediately replaced by another two Drifters and a further four Seekers. These Drifters, also, fell, but once again, engaging the Seekers drew further Drifter reinforcements.

With our pilots tiring after nearly half an hour of continuous fighting, the Evocatus gave the order to engage and destroy all remaining Seekers before dealing with the Drifters. No additional Drifters appeared to protect or avenge the Seekers, and our fleet was able to destroy the final two Vigilant Tyrannos, loot the field, and withdraw.


SFRIM pilots involved:

Lord Ibrahim Tash-Murkon (DPS)
Lord Lucas Raholan (DPS)
Directrix Lunarisse Daphiti (DPS)
Evocatus Alizabeth (FC) (logistics)
Adept Eternal Guardian (logistics)
Neophyte Daisha Voluptia (logistics)
Legionarius Jennifer Starfall (DPS)
Peregrinans Aria Jenneth (DPS)


Other pilots involved:

Taisia Zaytseva (warfare link support)


Hostile forces destroyed at Ardishapur Prime:

Vigilant Tyrannos battleships x10
Circadian Seekers x8


Losses suffered:

None.
Quite impressive. Pilot Jenneth I recently tried a beta version of a ship fitting program called "Ghost" it will be available cluster wide next month. You might find it very useful in refining your fits prior to undocking.

Perhaps you could share, even if only by email the fits you have found to be most effective against Drifters. Our usual method to get zero losses is to avoid Vigilant Tyrannos battleships when their number exceeds five, it would be quite nice to blow them to debris instead of withdrawing.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#35 - 2016-10-04 16:40:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Apologies for cutting in; a few details. In the first place, the engagement was sequential; pairs of Drifters were constantly reinforcing the area, and so the battle was centered around controlled engagement of those successive pairs. This can be handled with a different doctrine than was used for Influxes, and perhaps more discipline in deployment.

The doctrine used was the 'Heavy Weasel' doctrine developed by Alizabeth, as described here; you may also wish to note the basic description of Influx doctrines here, which are capable of engaging up to a dozen Drifters simultaneously. Understandably, these are very general. Lastly, Alexander Priano presented before the Imperial assembly before the conclusion of the succession trials. While much of the information is speculative, you may find some details useful.

Now, quid pro quo. You seem to indicate you have a doctrine that may reliably, losslessly engage up to five Drifters. Even if it's in early development stages, do share? What sorts of ships do you use? Is skillwire implantation required? Is this under Hive system effects or in known space?

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Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#36 - 2016-10-04 19:45:44 UTC
The full doctrine for Heavy Weasels can take on six Drifters pretty handily. If I could find them in squadron strength, I would give it a try. My question is where he's finding Drifters in groups over five.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
#37 - 2016-10-04 19:54:21 UTC
There's some high class wormhole systems where capsuleer activity has brought the attention of large groups of Drifters. I saw one C5 system patrolled by around 20 Drifter battleships.
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#38 - 2016-10-04 20:04:57 UTC
Persephone Alleile wrote:
There's some high class wormhole systems where capsuleer activity has brought the attention of large groups of Drifters. I saw one C5 system patrolled by around 20 Drifter battleships.

The ships in these patrols have different specifications from what we are used to see with Apollo and Artemis.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#39 - 2016-10-04 20:06:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
It's theoretically possible to encounter a group of that size, if there are multiple unidentified wormholes in a system and the Drifters are given reason to interact as a single group. I'm not sure if they handle fleet command on a per-uiWH basis or a per-system basis.

Still, it's not common, hence my continued pointed curiosity about Matar Ronin's claims on doctrine and tactics.

Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?

Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#40 - 2016-10-04 21:03:36 UTC
Matar Ronin: I'll believe you have a Drifter killing method when I see more proof than just words on the IGS.

As for now, you're all bark and no bite.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.