Missions & Complexes

You are welcome to run Incursions in lowsec and nullsec where you can defend the mothership from the evil null players. It's not like you haven't headshot the lowsec MS sites coming from high sec to run the MS before before scurrying home. You said you had 500 guys, realistically what is Br1ck going to do against a fleet that size.

Evidentally Br1ck has fun running the highsec mothership sites. I understand this may upset you when you find that you can't run Vanguard sites 23/7 a day while earning 100 mill an hour in complete safety. Obviously you will have to return to L4 missions and have to unfortunately switch hardeners every site or so while grinding isk.

I approve that the C&P types have stopped whinging at CCP to nerf incursions and decided to take matters into their own hands. That's the kind of initiative that makes Eve a great game.

I dislike that the end result seems to be disproportionately impacting newer players who can only get into T1 ships and therefore can't compete against the hard core incursion lifestyle players. But then I never expected Eve to be a socialist paradise.

I predict that you guys will get bored and go and find something else to do when people stop paying attention to you.

On a related note, is it possible for any discussion on the Eve forums to run for more than a page before it deteriorates into a 'cry moar tears' / 'U mad bro?' travesty? Didn't think so.

Dzajic I agree with you about the griefer analyzis, it is meta-gaming under the self-deception of role-playing, but I'd like to remind you that vast majority of anti-Incursions people in this thread are not against Incursions farming because they want to grief the farmers. Some are, true, but mostly people just want to balance things in the risk & effort vs reward -aspect, which is the most important balancing measure in the whole game.

Having one easy isk-printing machine deprecates the value of the other areas game.

The beef, and the only beef here is that if a CONCORD-protected hisec PVE activity is more profitable than similar activities in lawless space, it breaks the whole idea of the EVE as we know it.

Secondly Incursions were designed to be finished to relieve the system from Sansha influence, not prolong the situation. The Mom site should reap the highest rewards, and I'm pretty sure CCP will fix the design so that the Mom site will become more lucrative instead of the lesser sites.

And on a further note, you have expressed your opinions honestly, with adequate argumentation and with your main, so please don't take all the **** in this personally. People don't like the elitist, protectionistic l337 Incursion cunts, you don't seem to act like one so don't take their deeds upon your person.

It is pretty much impossible to predict all the repercussions of any given new ruleset in an already complex system, which will be bent, poked, twisted and abused by tens of thousands determined and creative human minds at their prime.

EVE players are nerds. Nerds are clever. A huge mass of clever nerds interacting structurally and chaotically creates emergent gameplay, making New Eden what it is. CCP not only can't prevent this from happening, neither they would want to prevent it from happening.

What i am about to say is to all parties.
I think the level of hypocracy coming from the CSMs lately is disapointing.
You are supose to stand for the overal of the game not just the pvp section.
There are no lack of people in 0.0.
The problem is when you set blue everyone around you then ofcource you have no one to shoot at.
There is a negative effect to blue everyone around you!

There are plenty of people that do not play this game for the pvp. From my part pvp is it the most fun part of this game but to others its not.
The Mittani abused his postion as a CSM to initiate a war vs all mining barges in high sec.
Now Darius is also abusing his position to do this.
As a CSM you should not be forcing your type of gaming into the rest of eve nor should you be using your position to carry out your private vandettas OR you will fail as CSM.

CSM minutes are out. Check the latest DevBlog.

All please check parts about PLEX prices, inflation and Incursions. See that CSM and CCP agree that isk is not related to PLEX prices; that VGs may need a minor nerf or added challenge and that other Incursion sites need a boost. And that incursions as they are are good for game and should stay.

Edit.

For Christ's sake. They actually agreed that Moms get vulnerable too fast and that Incursions should last longer but have a lower respawn rate!

So mr Darius III; how come that you as CSM took a nearly completely different position on Incursions than one you have in game? Hypocrisy much? Trying to be buddy buddy with CCP while pissing on their playerbase while they don't look?

The Sansha mothership is a perfectly legitimate PVE war target.

When incursions started, they were great, and the live event buildup was epic, like being part of a fantastic sci fi story as it is written.

Now it's elitists in shineys blitzing sites. Do you think the more hardcore incursion runners are poor sweet innocent loving players? Get your friends together in some T1 BS and a few logis and see what happens. Try to join a fleet with anything other than a pimp ship - it'll take a while, and when you get that fleet and hit that site, see what happens. They'll be there eventually.

And the worst part, the mothership comprises content that can be strung along solely for the purpose of raking in more ISK. While I don't sign on to the "griefer" aspect of mom take-downs, as I believe that engaging in a PVE target can only be griefing when people with a sense of entitlement (spoiled brats) claim it is - meaning it's not greifing - the ISK pump aspect of stringing the incursion along is a broken mechanic.

If it were possible to string a level 4 mission along and farm it all day, if harvesting a wormhole system didn't make it devoid of sites, if Sanctums could be strung along, then it could be said that incursions are within the known template of PVE content.

My own personal agenda: the mom should appear, have a despawn timer, and everybody not involved in killing it does not get their ISK and LP. If the mom is not engaged and killed, NOBODY gets their ISK and LP.

Do we get the phat loot if we don't finish that exploration content and complexes? Do we get ISK and LP when we don't finish our missions?


The mom takedown fleets are the open door for all of those who are not "leet enough" to be a part of incursions previously. All you need is a T1 BS with 90k+ EHP (armor tank) and 70%+ resists but I have seen others be allowed in at their own risk and when they can comprise their own wing. In other words, the last mom takedown fleet I was in had some shield drakes in it and a basi. A couple of days of level 4 missions can get you a couple of good T1 battleships. That and the ability to listen to your FC (as a matter of operating in a fleet, not specifically to these goals) is all you will probably need.

So everybody who had to post a fit and got mocked or laughed at, join in the taking down of the moms. Not "good enough"? if your ship can tank and spank, that's good enough. If you have never been in a fleet before against a mothership - and whether too noobish or having no desire to go to 0.0 at this time, this is your chance to get some 0.0-like experience and the people running these fleets are experienced 0.0 players. You will also find that these nefarious nabobs of low and null will not jump out of your computer, kick your sister, and molest the dog, even if they are said to engage in that activity by their victims.


And finally, if you miss live events, THIS is becoming the live event. Who knows, maybe CCP will reward our group play activity with some "extra" targets in the mom site and purple text in local.

BUT WERE ENTITLED TO FARMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Because they didn't realize how quickly sites would get hammered? Remember, when incursions were first released, the first highsec incursion timed out. The next few lasted for several days. It took about 3 months before they were flattening them in less than a day, but now the incursions can be flattened in 2 hours or less (in highsec). This is something that CCP SHOULD address, even if only to make the sansha influence bar actually have an effect other than to tell you that you are in an incursion system. Also remember that the week long lifespan is for highsec/lowsec/nullsec incursions, and while a highsec one generally takes only 2 hours or less, lowsec/nullsec usually take between 1-3 days (if anyone cares to run them at all). This is all based on a system that CCP implemented over a year ago and haven't touched in the last 9 months. This despite them saying that they would review them regularly and make any necessary changes if needed.

I seem to remember them saying the same thing about other programs before too. FW and cosmos missions seem to come to mind for some reason. Hmmmm.......

-Arazel

Losing your pixel-stuffs, which you can easily replace with more pixuhl-muneez is not a real-world inconvenience or suffering.

I know that Internet Spaceships Is Serious Business(TM) and all, but...

Dude, why are you taking a video-game so seriously?

Especially when you have so many ISK-faucets to replace your losses so easily? Go back 5+ years, and losing a BS--and I don't mean blinged-out beyond all reason/necessity I mean basic TII fit, or even named T I--actually meant something, now every mindless carebear and his wife flies complex-pimped Vargurs and Machs--why? Because ISK is too easy to farm, these assets have no real value anymore, but I'm digressing...