EVE General Discussion

Bit of a click bait title but hear me out...

I recently had a wander around highsec and noticed where once there where fleets of hulks and covs there are now only procs and skiffs. Even when supported by an orca the hulk is pretty much extinct.

Started to wonder why. Thinking back to my first encounter with a suicide ganker i was a newbie fresh into my first barge. A covertor. Solo jetcan minimg in a 0.5 system. Needless to say the cat melted my barge. After having a convo with the ganker i was told about how profitable covs are to gankers. And how i should alter my play style to make myself "not worth the effort"

So after that incident i had a much better idea of skills needed, ships to fly and so on. I bought a proc. Tanked the thing as best i could and went back to mining never bothered by gankers again.

One small problem. The soft targets (hulk and cov) need constant micro management. The proc just sits there until it fills up. Meaning i either tabbed out or went afk.

Thats what seems to have happened in highsec. No one flies the busy ships because they weak and the stronger ships need little to no micro management. So as a result miners arnt at thier keyboards. The dont start convos in local. They dont form a comunity. To me this seems wrong.

The way i see it there are 2 possable solutions CCP and CODE

1: ccp needs to a bit of a swap with the barges. The tanky bricks should be micro management heavy and the tinfoil ships more "afk ish" this might keep people at thier keyboards and interacting with each other.

2: CODE right now code targets the paper barges. And who can blame them? Easy money. If code where to make a point of killing procs and skiffs (yeah i know how many ships that would take) and leave the hulks and covs alone it might kickstart a comunity in highsec.


Any thoughts anyone?

It amazes me to no end that a percentile of the population insist upon forcing others to change how they want to play a sandbox game.

Problem is not the ship, but people going AFK or not paying enough attention to the game. This happens not only with mineta but null ratters and missions runners and all that. I always say this, but people who do 'play at keyboard' do high end PVE with bling stuff and have pretty good income and less loss in much more dangerous spaces, like those that PVE in WH or do null escalations and such. My exhumers use minimal tank when I do mine sometimes, because I don't do afk. I've been ganked in a mining ship only once in past seven years, and that was because I went afk in high sec, and I've done lots of mining in low/null/wh. So yes, going afk in highsec is actually more dangerous than mining in WH if you pay attention.

It's a PvP game, would you go AFK in any other PvP game and expect to be left alone?

i am however very concerned Ralph that you have a cat and what sounds like a Honeybadger living in the same house, won't someone think of the children?

We all have lives, you condescending walnut. That's fine if you play that way, just don't whine when you lose ships. Slap a cloak on your ship and cloak up when you want a snack. It takes literally 5 seconds

Well. I do all that, which you do not consider worth doing. This is an mmo after all. I don't have kids, but I have other relatives that require looking after every now and then. As strange as this may sound in anonymous internet times, to me this is still nothing less than a question of behaviour.

This may come from my background as a semi hardcore progress raider back before I left WoW for EVE, because I couldn't afford three or more contiguous hours of playtime any more.

So yes I do have a life. You still won't find me sitting afk out there. And it doesn't matter, what I'm actually doing in that moment.

I maybe won't respond within those 5-10 seconds CODE promotes and which I find somewhat ridiculous. But out in space, you usually will get a response from me within a reasonable timeframe of a couple of minutes.

Now tell me, is that an ass-hat attitude, if I expect from other players something that's not too far off in an mmo sandbox game?

Doc hopes if dogs ever take over the world and they choose a king, they don't just go by size, because there are probably some Chihuahuas out there with some good ideas.

Suggest you go and look outside of the forge and systems with ice belts then you will see a lot more of the other mining ships, CCP detailed the usage of mining ships and it is no where like what you say it is. Sorry mate, you are way off base...

What do you think caused the hissing and clawing?