EVE General Discussion

Buddy list ruined wormhole space.

Erm, depending on size of tower, lets assume large non faction, you're boasting about being able to make roughly 200m a week? And not sure if you're talking about nanoribbons or all the loot you get. Seems a bit strange to only pay for fuel with one part of the loot.

Enjoyment for me personally comes from the content we used to have, big t3 brawls with other pvp entities including capital support. Catching a few dreads running sites. Going out in force into null (can still do this and it's pretty much all we have now).

And at the comments about wormholes being overfarmed being the problem: majority of the ISK had always been from blue loot, even back in the day where nanoribbons hovered around 5 mil. So really it's nothing to do with over farming as blue loot has no effect on the market at all apart from inflating prices which would cause the exact opposite effect that we see these days: things should be more expensive not less.

And what counts as substantial to you? The best isk you can make currently is to multibox rattlesnakes in c5 anomalies and not even bother killing the drifter if you have less than 6 of them.

Isn't it sad that to make the most efficient isk that you ignore the new features completely? And if you're not multiboxing and sharing site income, it drops very quickly to below incursion values, which is pretty sad imo. I liked wormholes because it provided an alternative to incursions and the increased risk made it fun at the same time

And you're missing the big picture with all of this: if everyone is just farming in rattlesnakes there's no incentive to try and catch people ratting, they are so low risk with mjds it's unreal. You reduce what people are willing to risk, you reduce the amount of people hunting and wh space just turns into farmer paradise instead of the ruthless killing fields that so many people fell in love with years ago

You seemed sane until this point

man i don't want to say it's true but for the first time playing this gem i fear that too many people are leaving without fresh blood joining... place where i camp in syndicate got to ghost levels... to the point even i don't log in anymore...

scary **** :/

i blame the new generations with their ****** mobile games... no interest anymore to invest time and effort in a hobby... sad times :(

Doc blames CCP and their inability to deliver on their hype, and years of pants-on-head decisions by their "management". Soooo many missed opportunities.

It's come to the point that they are having to literally beg players to remain subscribed via free swag until their F2P experiment kicks in, so the PCU does not drop to 2003 levels.

Economics doesn't work this way, the proportion of ships being used and blown up and produced remains relative to the player base. Over production causes price drops. Supply is exceeding demand. Add another 20k players and just as many of those will farm wh's in proportion to the relative numbers farming them now, the price won't budge much at all.

"but if there is no one to buy then the stuff becomes worth a whole lot less."

You assume all the people stopped playing were only consumers, not producers too, it's not the case.

Celeste, ok I get you now. As a general advice for those looking at market stuff what you say is correct and I do agree that people need to open up and see the broader picture. I guess I just took it wrong the first time. :)

CCP changes minerals required to build stuff every so often. Mineral prices might be higher because of CODE? PLEX prices? I could pick anything in the game since 2006 and say XYZ used to cost (insert number here) and there would be numerous reasons why. So a drake costs twice as much? Tengus cost peanuts and Bhaalgorns are over a 1/3rd of the price I remember when I started. It's a fluid economy with so many variables it's difficult to keep track. Also Jita speculation plays its role.

Except I already stated what blue loot does to the economy: nothing except inflation since you're not interacting with another player when selling it.

Just looked through all the monthly economy reports as well, the commodity market is the lowest, at 10 trillion ISK, it's been since the reports have been started this February.

The commodity market is mainly blue loot as overseers effects are pretty minor and things like ESS tokens and clone soldier tags are even less abundant.

So from 18 trillion ISK in February dropping to 10 that's a MASSIVE red flag on the state of wormhole affairs

While WH is a special place, I suppose the same economy aplies at the end of the day. If bounty claim from a particular space dropped by half, it sounfs reasonable to ask whether that space is in 'healthy' state.

But turning blue loot value to other resources in WH, that could be an issue too, just as buffing mining yield will affect the mineral prices eventually, negating the buff.

Ultimately demand needs to be increased correspondingly to make the eve economy healthy. But trade volumes have gone down significantly across all sorts of things, and I see overall less demand for stuff, whether it's something from WH or from elsewhere.