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Why do people assume how we play the game reflects us in real life?

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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#81 - 2016-09-07 21:53:51 UTC
On the plus side, 9/10 for trolling - you did get me to respond again P

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#82 - 2016-09-07 22:19:07 UTC
My reaction to the above

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2016-09-07 22:25:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Elenahina
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Pandora Carrollon wrote:
I've been a Roleplayer for over 4 decades. It's true you cannot confuse roleplaying character choices entirely with how the person is, but for the most part, the person created the character and you cannot separate the creation concept from whom a person is. If you create some dark anti-hero, that character comes from inside of you, period, if the character is anything other than a 2D stereotype (stereotypes actually are a large majority of what many roleplayers create).


So wait... Steven King really is a killer alien clown?


I thought it, but I couldn't bring myself to say it.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2016-09-07 22:28:42 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
What does it mean to 'reflect us in real life'?

In real life:

- i don't sit around in public with my feet up on tables, yet at home I regularly rest my feet on my coffee table.
- I don't use the same language in the office that I use when playing sport.
- I don't behave at work the same way I behave when I'm at the pub with mates.

There is no single 'who we are' in terms of our behaviour and each of us adjusts to match the expectations of the environment and setting we are in.

As a rugby player, the way I interact with other players on the field is not how I interact with those same players off the field and I certainly wouldn't take the rules of rugby and use them in any other environment.

Eve is no different. The rules that govern how we play the game allow certain in game behaviour, but that doesn't mean we all transfer that behaviour to other situations.

For the most part Eve players are as perfectly adjusted as the rest of society in being able to understand that what is allowable behaviour in game is different to how each of us behave out of game.


There are days though man. There are days I wish I could rugby through some useless meeting while waving a pint around and yelling "Kiss my white arse, you bloody git!":

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#85 - 2016-09-07 23:00:04 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Lacori wrote:
I mean actually going to the trouble of befriending the people you intend to scam, including knowing them outside of the game, having meet-ups in real life, hell even driving across states and meeting their wives and kids.

You got to be kidding. A person doing that seriously has problems.

The problem is that people ARE like that in real life. A few years back there was a female NASA astronaut that drove a few days straight in Depends so they wouldnt have to stop to take a **** in order to kill someone over a relationship. This is someone that passed a psych eval with flying colors, one of those considered the "best of the best", and yet her mug shot and conviction are long over.
We regularly see police, soliders, high ranking officials, people from all walks of life, statuses, religions, colors and cultures regularly do what we normally call insane. Its literally all over the news and what we see or read or hear there is but a fraction of the police, incident reports that just get reported, nevermind unreported.

So I often have wondered why people wonder why it happens in a game when the statistics are literally that there are X% of these kind of people in society and the graphs and equations of the demographical spread of X will be, skewed for a few factors, the same within any human population.Twisted

In the end, as I have said many times before: people are people are people.Lol

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#86 - 2016-09-07 23:23:28 UTC
Lacori wrote:
...........................

TL;DR Confused why so many people assume that pirates/griefers are assholes IRL.


I'm late to the party - the forums are not what they once were - but have often thought along these lines.

Because of the EVE setup/simulation I have long believed that people play EVE as they would RL if they could.

To the futurist sociologists here - it's a very accurate reflection of why we should not seek anything close to immortality or continue to allow the rich and powerful to get ever more so..........Cool

Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#87 - 2016-09-08 00:05:22 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
*Snip* What is really cool about reality is: It is what it is. Cool


Very well said post Serene.Big smile

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#88 - 2016-09-08 00:13:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Marcus Tedric wrote:
Because of the EVE setup/simulation I have long believed that people play EVE as they would RL if they could.

To the futurist sociologists here - it's a very accurate reflection of why we should not seek anything close to immortality or continue to allow the rich and powerful to get ever more so..........Cool

How does this view reconcile with endeavours like:

1. Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation?
2. Zuckerburg's pledge to donate 99% of his wealth over his lifetime and his work in Africa to connect the World?
3. Warren Buffet's work through the Howard G. Buffet Foundation?
4. Virgin Unite?

Or people such as Nelson Mandela?

The rich and powerful are by far the most philanthropic people in society; and not because they are somehow more humanistic than the rest of us, but because they are among the few that have reached a level of wealth and influence where they are able to act beyond their own needs and desires.

They show, not how wealth and power are bad, but how most of us would act in similar circumstances. The arseholes are in the minority, including in Eve.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#89 - 2016-09-08 00:28:46 UTC
Ah the old real life vs in-game morality chestnut, I think I'll sit this one out and enjoy the squabbling.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#90 - 2016-09-08 00:48:46 UTC  |  Edited by: sero Hita
Lacori wrote:


TL;DR Confused why so many people assume that pirates/griefers are assholes IRL.


There are so many answers to this, which all will just be a piece of the truth. I will give two points, I think contribute:

1) Defence and revenge mechanisms. The victim feels violated of something happening in a game and want to hurt the person who did it to them. They cannot touch you physically in RL or in game, and resorts to psycological attacks "You are a psycopath in real life". I think we can all agree as long as you don't know someone, that is quite a leep of faith to conclude that from an in-game interaction. Also a lot of people just want to win discussions, so they will use reductive logic to make you look like a monster in order to win an argument.

2)Forum talk is limited in its format, and as such the dialog (or in most cases- simultaneus monologs) will be black/white. Black/white is not sufficient to discuss something as complex as this. I think scipio said it the best. People are complex. I talk in one way to my boss and another to my friends for example. I am less nice to the guy walking in front of me in a line, than I am to a person holding the door for me. Most people are very different persons, depending on the environment around them. This is not any different.

Are the actions in game done by me, and as such a reflection of me? Sure. Will I do these things in real life, just because they are reflective of some parts of me? Nope. . I am intelligent enough to know what to do when and where.Am I a bad person in RL, just because I gank in a game? No, I am not. People are complex, you can do ganking and on the side be the nice guy in the help channel and in RL help your grandmother with shopping. But people in these arguments make you down to a one dimensional character that is only ganking, and that is why they think you are an *******. They do not know you, and only see the one side and then they extrapolate this to a person which is 100% consisting of these qualities (which no one is in RL or in game). I will guarantee you if the people who say you are an ******* for ganking or scamming, would follow you a whole day and see the sum of all your good and bad actions instead a single picture, they might have another opinon about you (most likely a more neutral picture, than when you discuss an action you did taken out of context).

TLDR: My behaviour in game, is a reflection of my behaviour in game. It does not have to overlap with how I behave in RL.

"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Commander Spurty
#91 - 2016-09-08 00:49:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Spurty
Stuff

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And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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Commander Spurty
#92 - 2016-09-08 00:50:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Spurty
Commander Spurty wrote:
The ORiginal Post smacks of a strong desire to seek acceptance that your belief of how the universe works, is the only and correct one.

You're wrong, but there will be people that also believe what you believe. They are posting. We can see that.

That's the best part of EVE is that you're talking to adults here. Some with decades of professional experience working with personalities as your own.

Broad assertions of subjects you're clearly not more than a layman in is what those who study the field would call "cute".

Those that get their jollies at the expense of others always end up meeting a fine end (usually meet themselves coming the other way).

Karma keeps score.

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#93 - 2016-09-08 00:53:24 UTC
Commander Spurty wrote:
Commander Spurty wrote:
The ORiginal Post smacks of a strong desire to seek acceptance that your belief of how the universe works, is the only and correct one.

You're wrong, but there will be people that also believe what you believe. They are posting. We can see that.

That's the best part of EVE is that you're talking to adults here. Done with decades of professional experience working with personalities as your own.

Broad assertions of subjects you're clearly not more than a layman in is what those who study the field would call "cute".

Those that get their jollies at the expense of others always end up meeting a fine end (usually meet themselves coming the other way).

Karma keeps score.


Empty quoting yourself...

Better watch out - I already hear Karma coming to get you...

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#94 - 2016-09-08 02:52:21 UTC
@ Dirty Forum Alt
iirc you said you were quitting EvE when your sub runs out in October because "this game sucks"

You meant that, right?

You will biomass to show you are serious, right?



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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#95 - 2016-09-08 03:05:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirty Forum Alt
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
@ Dirty Forum Alt
iirc you said you were quitting EvE when your sub runs out in October because "this game sucks"

You meant that, right?

You will biomass to show you are serious, right?

I think you need to re-read my post.

I said I'm quitting EVE when my sub runs out October 13th - but that I'm *not* getting rid of my stuff, just in case I come back.

I'd be willing to invest in basic reading comprehension skillbooks for poor people like you if I thought you'd actually be willing to inject and train the skill...

Edit: I also explicitly said the game was going to be better - they are just going on a game development path I'm not interested in playing.

Seriously - just read it... Otherwise I'll have to re-write the entire wall of text for you P

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#96 - 2016-09-08 03:15:10 UTC
Though I will admit parts of me have debated donating a couple hundred billion isk to CODE. and some of the more active forum trolls around here - just to **** off the rest of you whiners P

I've decided to stick to my original plan however, and just keep all my stuff on ice.


Who knows - maybe I'll bring DFA back periodically as an alpha clone just to **** you off - CCP is progressing along my predicted path of mainstream-MMO much faster than I had anticipated, so it'll be an option pretty soon, and won't cost me anything but a little time P

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#97 - 2016-09-08 03:29:32 UTC
lol ok

If you were really serious you'd biomass. Do it. You know you want to. Doomheim = showed them all

To say you think the game will get better but you are not then interested in it seems strange, but ok, as you wish.

Yes, I think you might be right that I need a set of reading comprehension skillbooks. They are expensive, though. You can just send me the 2.3 billion isk they cost and I will inject and train them immediately. Thanks for your remarkable concern for me! I am very grateful to you for your help!


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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
#98 - 2016-09-08 03:31:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirty Forum Alt
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
lol ok

If you were really serious you'd biomass. Do it. You know you want to. Doomheim = showed them all

To say you think the game will get better but you are not then interested in it seems strange, but ok, as you wish.

Yes, I think you might be right that I need a set of reading comprehension skillbooks. They are expensive, though. You can just send me the 2.3 billion isk they cost and I will inject and train them immediately. Thanks for your remarkable concern for me! I am very grateful to you for your help!

I tell you what - biomass *your* account first to show me you are serious, and I'll biomass 2 of mine.

Then we can discuss a third party to hold collateral until I'm sure you've actually *injected* the skillbook into your *new* character - because frankly I don't trust you. I think you are trying to scam me.


edit:
PS: That wasn't enough time for you to read my first post, let alone the entire thread... You aren't fooling anybody.

The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal.

Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#99 - 2016-09-08 04:14:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Piugattuk
Lacori wrote:
I've seen this countless times, and I've been playing for over a decade...

Which is probably why I draw the line at certain activities, even though I condone those activities by others who chose to do them. Case in point, scamming your own corp or being a long-term spy, and by that I mean not a couple of weeks here and there. I mean actually going to the trouble of befriending the people you intend to scam, including knowing them outside of the game, having meet-ups in real life, hell even driving across states and meeting their wives and kids. I've seen this happen, very rarely, but it does happen. I question the mental state of such people, but Eve is a sandbox, and who are we to judge?

Even though I wouldn't go that far, I've done my fair share of piracy, high sec ganking, made a few newbs cry when I used to FC, and I did run with CODE for a short spell. The smack talk I've received is far worse than any I've dished out, I've had miners whose ship I've just popped talking about raping my mom, whereas all I've done is engaged in perfectly legit tactics within an open world space sandbox. I question the mental state of these people even more, as clearly the line between fiction and reality is well and truly blurred.

People also make the assumption that if you have a leaning toward a PvP playstyle, then you must have no life outside of the game. I could say the same about industrialists, but why would I? I have a wife and kids, I do stuff with them, I play ball with my friends and I work (hard) to provide for my family....and in my spare time I occasionally grief pixel spaceships from my desk.

TL;DR Confused why so many people assume that pirates/griefers are assholes IRL.



You last statement tells you all you need to understand, grief pixels, to you it is just a representative of nothing, but I could also ask then why not blow up NPC's?

Same pixels, the only difference is that you get enjoyment out of pissing on someone, an anonymous, unseen, so it doesn't mean nothing to you.

This being said, I'm not brow beating you only answering your question, I play an industrial player, mostly just build ships for others to enjoy, I get a warm fuzzy feeling about building ships others will enjoy (industrial and frigates), but for me every person I see out there IS a person behind the keyboard so to me the actions of the person behind the keys is representative of personality traits, while it may not be a perfect example it give you an insight to what that persons thinking, they don't see life as I do, they have a different way of measuring actions, while I'm not saying they are bad they are just different in their thinking, less empathetic about others, anyway I'm getting too deep in Psychology 101 so I'll stop here.
morion
Lighting Build
#100 - 2016-09-08 05:06:34 UTC  |  Edited by: morion
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