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EXEFILE Login To Be Discontinued On September 20th

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CCP Falcon
#1 - 2016-09-05 16:33:00 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
As part of the preparations for the launch of Clone States in November, and as part of our continuous efforts to improve account security for EVE Online, we are currently in the process of working on changes to the EVE Online client that will result in the removal of the ability to log into EVE via launching exefile.exe from the EVE\sharedcache\%servername%\bin\ folder.

This change is currently planned to be implemented on September 20th.

After this date, players will no longer be able to log in directly through the front end of the EVE Online client and will instead be required to use the launcher to log in at all times in order to improve account security and streamline the login process.

If you would like to discuss this change, you can do so in this thread.

CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon

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CCP Falcon
#2 - 2016-09-05 16:36:08 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Goliath
Further response (posted 14/9): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6636878#post6636878

Some answers to questions posed in the thread:

“The launcher forgets my accounts if I leave it open for too long”
If you are logged in and subsequently enable a VPN connection, the SSO iframe fails and then forgets your accounts. We believe there may also be an issue with time passing or network connectivity loss that we are trying to narrow down to root cause(s).
In the past we have forced the launcher to forget all accounts, for security reasons (and one deployment error). These purges occurred on: 25/11/15, 26/1/16, 8/2/16 and 20/6/16.

“The launcher doesn’t expire logins/refresh tokens”
Accounts management now contains the functionality to delete all SSO tokens - located at https://secure.eveonline.com/LoginHistory.aspx
Changing password manually via account management also automatically does this
The Password Recovery process doesn’t currently have this functionality, but it’s in active development and we aim to deploy it by the end of this week (EDIT: THIS HAS NOW BEEN DEPLOYED)

“The exefile lets me manage my settings profiles and the launcher doesn’t”
The cogwheel next to your account names in launcher login allows you to map separate settings profiles to individual (or multiple) accounts. When/if your accounts are purged from the launcher, these settings profiles are retained on your machine but will need to be remapped to the relevant account once the account has been revalidated in the launcher.

“I use ISBoxer to launch many clients and manage their window positions, especially with borderless windows” / “The Mumble overlay doesn’t work in Windows 10 unless you use exefile”
While ISBoxer and Mumble are unsupported 3rd party software from our perspective, we have reports from players that ISBoxer does also work using the launcher rather than the exefile directly. If there are concerns about 3rd party software functionality or performance with the new system we advise you to raise these concerns with the developers of the software, as is standard practice with all 3rd party software.

“Will third party launchers such as Rapid Light EVE Launcher continue to work?”
While 3rd party launchers may continue to function, we do not support or advocate their use

“The Launcher is vulnerable to DDOS whereas exefile is more resilient”
While the old launcher was subject to load issues and network problems, due to it being hosted in London as a dynamic ASP.NET website, the new launcher website is statically hosted on Amazon S3, with Amazon CloudFront in the front, which should offer additional protection against DDoS attacks.

“Will the old launcher continue to work?”
The old launcher is currently unsupported and will stop working at some point in the near/medium future without any further warning.

“The launcher complains about access rights to its own installation folder”
We believe that most cases can be fixed by running the 'Fix permissions..' in the Shared Cache Settings menu.
However, we have seen at least one case where we have been unable to figure out what is wrong, but in that case the user could not create files/folders manually. So in that case, at least, there is a system level problem. Investigations continue so if this issue occurs for you, and Fix Permissions doesn't solve your problem, please file a bug report with as much detail about your system configuration as you can provide.

“The new launcher throws up certificate issues”
We have an open defect for various certificate issues and hope to roll out a fix soon, but many certificate issues have already been addressed.

CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon

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Ilian Amarin
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2016-09-05 16:45:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ilian Amarin
Happy to hear this as it will massively improve account security.

As long as people have the brain to enable 2FA.

EDIT: BUT PLEASE FOR EVERYONES SANITY STOP MAKING THE LAUNCHER FORGET ALL MY ACCOUNTS IF I LEAVE IT OPEN FOR TOO LONG!
FearlessLittleToaster
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2016-09-05 16:45:48 UTC
Since the launcher is functional now I can't object to this. Please though, for future reference, keep in mind that if you are looking at making major changes to how the launcher works you need to keep it at it's current level of functionality.

Logging in to Eve using the old method, configuring multiple accounts to get set up, etc. etc. was just enough of a chore to stop me playing sometimes if the kid had really run me ragged. Yes, really. The current launcher makes it very easy, and I like that, so don't break it. Big smile
Koenig Yazria
Adversity.
Snuffed Out
#5 - 2016-09-05 16:50:09 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
FearlessLittleToaster wrote:
Since the launcher is functional now I can't object to this. Please though, for future reference, keep in mind that if you are looking at making major changes to how the launcher works you need to keep it at it's current level of functionality.

Logging in to Eve using the old method, configuring multiple accounts to get set up, etc. etc. was just enough of a chore to stop me playing sometimes if the kid had really run me ragged. Yes, really. The current launcher makes it very easy, and I like that, so don't break it. Big smile



No it is not functional. It always forgets logins. Half of the time it is not possible to login through the launcher.


Edit: Personal attack removed, CCP Phantom
Opner Dresden
H A V O C
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#6 - 2016-09-05 16:59:45 UTC
More nails in the coffin for Eve as CCP continues it's valiant war against people who actually like playing the game enough to have enough clients to justify Isboxer.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#7 - 2016-09-05 17:17:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Chribba
Aww Sad It's nice to have and far better use for me personally with the separate profiles it creates, and still worked even when the login server or launcher fails.

I'm sad to see it go.

Also, for those that are stlil using the "old" launcher, is that one going to be killed suddenly too? (I know it's not "supported" but it can still be used)

/c

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Koenig Yazria
Adversity.
Snuffed Out
#8 - 2016-09-05 17:21:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Koenig Yazria
I remember when this was going to happen during the lifetime of the old launcher.

And yet many people where convinced that there were no issues.

Whatevs, literally don't want us to play the game.
Porcelina
Evil Young Flesh
#9 - 2016-09-05 17:24:54 UTC
The launcher is broken. Why do you think so many people need to use the exefile directly? Seriously... Do you even play your own game?

Also, what about all of the legitimate players with multiple accounts? You have the least multbox friendly game in existence. Stop it now. Fix it - don't break it for everyone.
Astrid Farnsworth
Broke and Famous
#10 - 2016-09-05 17:35:12 UTC
This is good. Just have to deal wit the problem that sometimes it forget all the account i have on it and i have to re enter all the info.

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Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies
Joint Venture Conglomerate
#11 - 2016-09-05 17:35:36 UTC
First they came for the LINUX users, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a LINUX users.

Then they came for the DirectX 9 users, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a DirectX 9 user.

Then they came for the XP users, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a XP user.

Then they came for .exe users —and I thought keep up the good work CCP weeding out all these losers.

Fear God and Thread Nought

Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#12 - 2016-09-05 17:39:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Norn
Will third party launchers such as Rapid Light EVE Launcher continue to work?

https://github.com/Frosty-nee/rlel

On an unrelated note all but one member of my corp, the 7th largest independent corp in New Eden Lol, rely on RLEL to log in to the game.


Sources:-
Lol: https://evewho.com/
Cerian Alderoth
Cult of the Black Monolith
#13 - 2016-09-05 17:39:16 UTC
Before you do that, re-visit the launcher's code:

The EVE Online Launcher - Suggestion thread

The fact that the Launcher still won't produce proper error messages,
sometimes fails to update or freezes after the update (Twitch incident),
uses up to several hundred Megabytes of system memory, and
spikes CPU usage every ten seconds to do *nothing* is bad code.

TL:DR
The current implementation of the launcher is flawed by design.



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ceri
Hinata' Hyuga
WillPower and Courage Corporation
#14 - 2016-09-05 17:44:50 UTC
As someone who uses ISBoxer for screen management and doesn't abuse any of the features that have been banned, I do not support this change. Managing 5 accounts is a hassle without third party software and no other third-party software come close to screen management like ISBoxer can.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#15 - 2016-09-05 17:46:03 UTC
Jackie Fisher wrote:
First they came for the LINUX users, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a LINUX users.

Then they came for the DirectX 9 users, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a DirectX 9 user.

Then they came for the XP users, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a XP user.

Then they came for .exe users —and I thought keep up the good work CCP weeding out all these losers.


This is CCP coming for the linux users...
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=482663&find=unread

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Flying Squidwolf
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
Federation Uprising
#16 - 2016-09-05 17:47:02 UTC
Just had to reinstall the whole damn game because it got stuck in an update loop >_>
Messenger Of Truth
Butlerian Crusade
#17 - 2016-09-05 17:47:54 UTC
If you're doubling down on the launcher, can you make it so that it doesn't lose track of each account every time there is a temporary network connection drop as my computer comes out of sleep mode? Its happend 4 times this week.

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Hulk Miner
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2016-09-05 17:49:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Hulk Miner
Having only switched over to the new launcher the past 6 months from using Exefile for many years I find its really streamlined my login, who can moan over clicking 1 button to login all your characters?

Maybe i have just been lucky.

As for forgetting all your login details make sure you create another profile then switch your login to this and pin, hey presto.
Hulk Miner
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2016-09-05 17:53:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Hulk Miner
Chribba wrote:
Aww Sad It's nice to have and far better use for me personally with the separate profiles it creates, and still worked even when the login server or launcher fails.

I'm sad to see it go.

Also, for those that are stlil using the "old" launcher, is that one going to be killed suddenly too? (I know it's not "supported" but it can still be used)

/c



Do you know that you can create multiple profiles in the launcher and assign one to each login (similar to what exefile does)? This way your graphics settings and display are unique for each login.
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#20 - 2016-09-05 17:59:01 UTC
CCP, can we first please get a resolution to the security issues of non-expiring login/refresh tokens?
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