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The problem with the Rorqual is it's design, in fact one could argue the problem with mining is it's basic game design as well. The great length of time that you don't have to interact with the game in many ways encourages people to get distracted by other things away from the keyboard.

If the mining went a lot faster, and I mean significantly faster, and a person had to re-target the shrinking rock every minute or so mining would no longer be mostly passive.

CCP will however be terrified to make this change, because they might actually do something that is helpful to industrialists without an immediate larger benefit for pvp pilots. That is the weak spot for CCP, they have a compelling urge to better the game for combat and everything else comes in a distant fourth place.

If Rorquals mined 15 to 20 times faster than the smaller Hulks, Skiffs, and Mackinaws I think you'd see more people using them in belts because the risk would better match the reward.

The market would adjust and survive so please don't start gnashing your teeth and wringing your hands about how this change might destroy the EVE economy.

You mean like moon mining is and has been for years?

That destroyed the game right?

Do you have a problem with known facts? Your opinion is not the end all for everything, and mine is not either, please climb down from the self righteous sanctimonious perch you cling to in these forums and talk with people instead of pontificating at them.

The point I apparently did a poor job of making was that the big fish of null and low sec get the best moons and it has not busted the economy. The big fish get to build capital ships and Titans and others still fly sub capital ships.

CCP will not mess with moon mining because the major PVP Alliances use it to survive.

Because a Rorqual in low or null can mine twenty times faster than a Hulk in high sec is not going to radically impact the game from my experience. It might make what is mined more valuable because the ore not as readily available in low & null sec will be needed to build more Rorquals for the market.

You know the rising tide thing.

ffs, lol, there is no moon mining in high sec. Again do you have a problem with well known facts?

Sweet dreams sir, it is really actually nice discussing things with you, proof we can disagree without being disagreeable.

1) The command ships ARE top. They provide the most effective bonus. Successfully spreading them out throughout your fleets to keep up their bonuses has a reward.

2) Titans and capital boosters give a weaker boost amount over a larger area. This fills holes in command ships boosts to prevent your fleet from the drastic drop of going from max boosts to none. It needs to be there, because in bloc level combat you can expect to see boosting command ships regularly doomsdayed off the field. Especially before a supercapital is primaried.

Another reason the range discrepancy needs to exist, is there is a maximum range that makes sense for a pilot to feel rewarded for piloting the ship in small gang combat. The value of such a range is so small, that you will probably not want to be navigating through hundreds of sieged dreadnaughts to apply these boosts.

3) If you could keep your booster from getting probed before, I'm sure you can still orbit your main at 500m and click them every two minutes. That does not warrant a refund. Characters with FC5 and the base passive warfare skills trained, but no specializations or command ships are another story. They trained them for entirely different reasons that are being completely removed from the game.

As for the Ammo, I think it's a good idea. It rewards the booster being an active pilot rather than an afk alt. If you want scan res bonuses for your gate camp for several hours, you can just keep hitting the module and shuttle fuel to your booster. Or you can have an actual player specifically boost scan res on gate fire. You can hit it every minute and focus on piloting another character, or you can actually time to refresh when they are about to drop. Delaying refresh cycle has an added benefit when you are about to die. You are more likely to be able to fire off a final boost right before you go down and stretch the benefits for the rest of the fleet, rather than die in the middle of a cycle you didn't need to hit in the first place. Then there are things like boosting one group of ships, microjumping to another that was out of range and boosting them, then burning off to warp back to the first group for a refresh.

I fail to see how a "I clicked the button 6 hours ago, therefore everything on grid (read: within 10,000+ km) gets the bonuses until I die" system would provide better gameplay. Scan Res/Tackle Range boosters sitting in tackle range of the people jumping into them, oh the horror!

People are used to their booster snugly in a safe or on a citadel. Command ships should be in the middle of the fleet, you know, commanding it. That is what these changes are meant for.

Ye I know, I am just not convinced by this yet.

I did already, I said I would want to see the rorqual as an actual capital miner loose from the boosting.

In the current setup the Rorqual is a requirement to be max efficient as a fleet -> not optional in sense of efficiency

if the boosts were uncoupled from the rorqual, the rorqual would just be an escalation tool to gather even more ore, because you go capital. -> that's what i would like more

If that going capital is by a superweapon to cut a belt or a big ore cluster, or you mine with capital lasers or whatever i dont care, but this you require the capital in the belt at all times, I dunno what to think about this.

It's not more active playstyle it's a different approach in general I assume.

Hi All

Well I've chewed this over a lot and come to a few conclusions about the changes to boosting, i'm probably wanting my cake and to eat it but here goes :)

Firstly I agree that OGB does indeed give an advantage to a squad or fleet of ships when engaging another group of ships etc and boosting should indeed be a more active, hands on in fleet roles

However there has never been any reason why both parties cant have an OGB and indeed everyone does it but i digress


So a big old yes please to on grid boosting? Well hold up for a minute there is a few flies in the ointment!

Many people have stated concerns over range, lag, TiDi, fitting changes et all and these are all good and valid concerns and time will tell how the changes pan out but let's dig a bit deeper

We are all agreed that these changes break a lot of long established game play some for the good and some for (hopefully) the better but i am concerned that CCP is attempting to extract more real money from our wallets

Let's take mining boosts as an example, though this applies to most other areas of boosting, currently you can have an orca boosting a squad of miners who are happily mining several different belts of roids, shooting rats, hauling ore and generally doing their thing and scratching a living from mining

Post changes they can no longer do this, this game play has been completely broken and they are forced to mine in a group, in 1 belt in a nice big bait ball

Yay you might say more miners to shoot, well look at it this way the only other option these poor miners have is to sub another account and train up another orca (or porpoise, dang this ship better haul some ore) pilot if they want to not be mining over themselves or overworking the orca pilots

OK like i said this is just an example of how these changes break current game play and throw in the need for additional accounts i'm sure this applies to other areas of fleet boosting and the need for additional accounts and hence income

I dont have the answers to make life fairier just that these changes have a decidedly fishy undercurrent about them

OK time to put my tinfoil hat back on :)

i don't think you understand eve mentality where every % counts