Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The biggest alliances currently in nullsec in EVE are composed of only new players. Yes they are very effective and valuable players and they actually experience the game for what it is, a competitive massive multiplayer sandbox game.

You simply oppose this study because it does not fit into your concept about your constructed problem. You oppose a study with a sample size of 80'000 players with your gut feelings and think you know better.

You sir are a troll and this thread is reported for redundancy and trolling. Have a nice day

Carebear is an attitude, it's not about where you live or what you do, as such it's not a play style. Your whole attitude smacks of carebearism.

No.

If carebears ran this game ...
... the game would be dead by now or a#the forums and reddit would be filled with horrible people like yourself.

Carebears are a loud, screaming minority and no one wants you or needs you around.
Just like SJW, BLM and CODE. *snickers*


And to counter the carebear-logic:

No. One. Needs. Carebears.
Excluding the companies which write games to milk you easy minded folks out of your money, of course.

The common mistake carebears make, exposing their weird minds,
is the idea that people only do either/or.

Reality:
Carebears only PvE, never PvP.
Normal people do PvE and PvP.

No one needs you.
Enjoy the door hitting your rear end on your way out.

Obviously didn't read my other posts. Love how you all cherry pick to troll. Actually carebears as you refer to them are a growing minority that pay the bills and provide the nessecary industry to keep game going. You aren't able to keep up from pvp drops alone, at least if the people you are shooting are smart, therefore even yes you my dear have a use for carebears somewhere in there to make ammo/modules/ships that you use.

Agree. There would be no need for discussion if above mentioned groups were the minority. Mind you this discussion IS NOT nor has it ever been about null/low sec mechanics. I love those. However that said, leave the sandbox mentaljty out there, really it's a respect the players around you. If you see me in low or null, feel free to engage, I can usually afford it, and usually am looking for it. Flew a shuttle out earlier trying to prove to a new guy you could find and fit a ship in null, picked an area with no accessable market, thanks goonswarm, and proved myself wrong lol. Local corp helped me out. Probably repay it tomarrow or next day when I get isk back, and here in a few days go looking for a fight again. High sec mechanics are broken. Everything I suggested at the top was a result of disscussions with various players over about the last month. As we can't seem to set egos aside, or have open minds, I once again see us missing anopportunity to change things for the better and will be requesting this thread be locked at a moderator's convienence.

It isn't taking a core part out where it really matters, other than to people that get thier kicks shooting people without a chance of fighting back. When I go to low I expect a fight. Usually I go there either to fight or to mine and mess with the people in there. Usually end up ticking them off and getting the exit camped lol. However, it's called high sec for a reason. CCP initially thought groups like code wouldn't stay long because players would kill them off. They use the response time loophole now to go in kill a 30 million isk miner, or pile a billion isk frieghter, or kill mission runners that are half dead coming back, and get away with it. The system broke somewhere along the way to where that works. I'm not saying it's bad, just that it's being abused in a way that it was never meant for. When something is abused to the degree that it is now, maybe we should have a constructive rethink of the system in general. As players we could band together and kill them out of game (my personal preference), or adjust the mechanic to make it not possible to improve player retention. Looking at people that quit within two weeks is the ultimate in numbers fixing to get the result CCP wanted to say ganking was not an issue. I hate to say it, but going f2p will not fix the player shortage unless the high sec pvp mechanics are also adjusted. Ya it sucks, I love suicide ganking bounties. Probably not going to be successful at it for a bit, but still fun. They have a price on them and should expect it to happen lol. However I'm willing to not do it if it improves overall gameplay.

OMG so many walls of text, over the same stuff.

Ganking is completly FINE. There is no issue.

You're using posts from two years ago, when granted it was a rarity, dotlan will tell you however it's common enough now to be an actual issue worth revisiting. Be it a shift in player ideals (not likely) or something the devs finally do, it needs to be addressed in current form. Doing surveys of players just starting and then quitting before they really get into it is useless to tell why the amount of established players are leaving. By the way auto routing frieghters already has time consequences. I wouldn't autoroute one if it was safe, it would take too long.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4972885#post4972885

EVE never was supposed to be a carebear heaven. You either have the guts to stay alive, or you can curl up and whimper in the corner. EVE, unlike WoW, was never designed to be a game for the masses. It's a niche game and it's perfectly fine if it doesn't fit you. There are enough other games available that are more suitable for your playstyle.

This is a thread of the ages.