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A crossroad of bad decisions (F2P)

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Ikshuki
Awoken Disintegration Fleet
#1 - 2016-08-31 21:34:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Ikshuki
I am now in a crossroad, after playing this amazing game i ever played for 9 years, i'm now wondering if i should unsub for good, this F2P system will destroy the playerbase and all initiative to keep subbed, the whole point of having plex is to play for free, why do we need a F2P model on top of an already existing F2P model, all one has to to do now to keep playing is to create 10 F2P accounts, get them in barges, buy up skill injectors using subbed accounts to counter the skilling slowdown, and farm isk to buy plex, this system will ultimately ruin eve as a whole, this really saddens me CCP, and this disappoints me
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2016-08-31 21:38:13 UTC
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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-08-31 21:39:24 UTC
Unsub, and continue to play on an alpha clone, If that doesn't please you then can I have your stuff?

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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#4 - 2016-08-31 21:39:36 UTC
Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#5 - 2016-08-31 21:40:48 UTC
I disagree that it will destroy motivation to stay subbed. You are severly limited by 5 mill SP cap and what is looking like a whole slew of skill caps.

What it will destroy is people with multiple paid accounts that are paying for one or two 'lowbee' accounts. CCP will lose that income stream. Maybe what they will gain in new subscribed players will offset that, however, if you add those like yourself that are leaving the game just out of fear of what it will do to the game, I don't know if that will be offset.

However, EVE being EVE, players like yourself with this level of trepidation over just an announcement are basically surrendering just to a game change before it's even happened. That's pretty weak to me.

Speaking strictly for myself, I'm already thinking of ways to make this change work for me.

I play EVE, I can handle about anything an MMO can dish out that doesn't entirely obliterate my fun.

This won't even be a speed bump to me. You older traditionalists, yup, I understand the apoplexy over it but I just joined in January, this ain't no big thing and I get a whole crap load of newbies to have fun with...

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Doomheim
#6 - 2016-08-31 21:41:46 UTC
Ok...like wut? you making decisions about leaving "this amazing game" as you said, based on first of all wrong info and second very unreliable info. Do you know how many decisions on this matter will be made till november, how many tweaks, balances, also you think ccp will let " to create 10 F2P accounts, get them in barges, buy up skill injectors using subbed accounts to counter the skilling slowdown, and farm isk to buy plex, this system will ultimately ruin eve as a whole" , yea ccp is like we had enought of this game lets crash economy, why not....
Caco De'mon
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#7 - 2016-08-31 21:46:06 UTC
Ikshuki wrote:
I am now in a crossroad, after playing this amazing game i ever played for 9 years, i'm now wondering if i should unsub for good, this F2P system will destroy the playerbase and all initiative to keep subbed, the whole point of having plex is to play for free, why do we need a F2P model on top of an already existing F2P model, all one has to to do now to keep playing is to create 10 F2P accounts, get them in barges, buy up skill injectors using subbed accounts to counter the skilling slowdown, and farm isk to buy plex, this system will ultimately ruin eve as a whole, this really saddens me CCP, and this disappoints me



Yay....one less Chicken Little...

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Andrea Cemenotar
Elena Minasse Operations
#8 - 2016-08-31 21:51:40 UTC
Ikshuki wrote:
all one has to to do now to keep playing is to create 10 F2P accounts, get them in barges,


according to the devblog alpha clones will not have access to mining barges
Ikshuki
Awoken Disintegration Fleet
#9 - 2016-08-31 22:01:16 UTC
Andrea Cemenotar wrote:
Ikshuki wrote:
all one has to to do now to keep playing is to create 10 F2P accounts, get them in barges,


according to the devblog alpha clones will not have access to mining barges
oh trust me, there are ways around it, according to the video, you'll have access to all the basic things to do in eve, missions, mining, pvp, you just won't be able to skill as fast as you normally could
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#10 - 2016-08-31 22:06:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Pandora Carrollon wrote:
I disagree that it will destroy motivation to stay subbed. You are severly limited by 5 mill SP cap and what is looking like a whole slew of skill caps.

What it will destroy is people with multiple paid accounts that are paying for one or two 'lowbee' accounts. CCP will lose that income stream. Maybe what they will gain in new subscribed players will offset that, however, if you add those like yourself that are leaving the game just out of fear of what it will do to the game, I don't know if that will be offset.

However, EVE being EVE, players like yourself with this level of trepidation over just an announcement are basically surrendering just to a game change before it's even happened. That's pretty weak to me.

Speaking strictly for myself, I'm already thinking of ways to make this change work for me.

I play EVE, I can handle about anything an MMO can dish out that doesn't entirely obliterate my fun.

This won't even be a speed bump to me. You older traditionalists, yup, I understand the apoplexy over it but I just joined in January, this ain't no big thing and I get a whole crap load of newbies to have fun with...


I wouldn't be so optimistic about the chances of a bunch of new subscribed players. It's pretty unquestionable that the new "F2P" account tier is critically crippled in every way. There's no progression, and no real way to compete against paid accounts. While I look forward to new accounts roaming the game in frigates (my favorite play style), it just isn't going to turn out well. In a very real sense this change is literally introducing P2W "golden guns" and "golden ammo" - and they're all already in game.

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Ed: In case it wasn't clear: people aren't going to stick around and pay when they view the situation as pay to win. And it will be.

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Caco De'mon
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#11 - 2016-08-31 22:12:54 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Ed: In case it wasn't clear: people aren't going to stick around and pay when they view the situation as pay to win. And it will be.



And what is the prize again for winning EVE? I forgot.

Also, a new player now faces exactly the same hill vs vets with years in so, no idea what you're sobbing about....

*"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#12 - 2016-08-31 22:17:52 UTC
Caco De'mon wrote:

And what is the prize again for winning EVE? I forgot.

Also, a new player now faces exactly the same hill vs vets with years in so, no idea what you're sobbing about....


Well, Caco, the prize for winning Eve is the same one for winning in WoT or League or any other game with a toxic community. Your second comment makes literally no sense, so I can't respond to it. As for what I'm sobbing about? Mostly that the transition to F2P is being handled so poorly. I wanted people to play (and pay for) the game.

-Liang

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Jacques d'Orleans
#13 - 2016-08-31 22:18:45 UTC
Ikshuki wrote:
mimimi


Obligatory: Can I haz your SP and your stuff?



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Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2016-08-31 22:30:57 UTC
Ikshuki wrote:
Andrea Cemenotar wrote:
Ikshuki wrote:
all one has to to do now to keep playing is to create 10 F2P accounts, get them in barges,


according to the devblog alpha clones will not have access to mining barges
oh trust me, there are ways around it, according to the video, you'll have access to all the basic things to do in eve, missions, mining, pvp, you just won't be able to skill as fast as you normally could


Yes you can mine - in a mining frigate, without full skills. Did you even bother to read the dev blog, or are you just running around flapping your arms and crying for no other reason than to attention whore?

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Caco De'mon
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#15 - 2016-08-31 22:32:49 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Caco De'mon wrote:

And what is the prize again for winning EVE? I forgot.

Also, a new player now faces exactly the same hill vs vets with years in so, no idea what you're sobbing about....


Well, Caco, the prize for winning Eve is the same one for winning in WoT or League or any other game with a toxic community. Your second comment makes literally no sense, so I can't respond to it. As for what I'm sobbing about? Mostly that the transition to F2P is being handled so poorly. I wanted people to play (and pay for) the game.

-Liang



Winning at WoT or LoL means winning millions of dollars...is that what you are saying or would you like to change your post? A toxic community is born because people are sick of listening to entitled whiners that thrown tantrums when CCP does something they don't like.

Sorry you can understand a basic sentence like that....I wont try again as I'm guessing dumbing it down more wont help.

Today is day one of the "transition" and your types are already out buying rope and looking for a nice tall trees to hang yourselves from....THAT is sobbing. Chicken Little hats aplenty today...

How about wait a few months AFTER it's been running before declaring it a total failure.

*"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."
Andrea Cemenotar
Elena Minasse Operations
#16 - 2016-08-31 22:49:01 UTC
Ikshuki wrote:
Andrea Cemenotar wrote:
Ikshuki wrote:
all one has to to do now to keep playing is to create 10 F2P accounts, get them in barges,


according to the devblog alpha clones will not have access to mining barges
oh trust me, there are ways around it, according to the video, you'll have access to all the basic things to do in eve, missions, mining, pvp, you just won't be able to skill as fast as you normally could


devblog reading issue

no matter how hard you try YOU WILL HAVE TO train "Mining Barge" skil lto fly any mining barge

which skill is not within any of the listign af skills allowed to alpha clones

as for "all basic things" - venture is a thing for quite a time now, ya know? "Mining Frigate" is the "basic" thing for mining and that's what Alpha accounts will have access to

really these forums would be a crapload cleaner if everyone bothered to read the devblogs they are commenting at...
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2016-08-31 22:51:58 UTC
Ikshuki wrote:
Andrea Cemenotar wrote:
Ikshuki wrote:
all one has to to do now to keep playing is to create 10 F2P accounts, get them in barges,


according to the devblog alpha clones will not have access to mining barges
oh trust me, there are ways around it, according to the video, you'll have access to all the basic things to do in eve, missions, mining, pvp, you just won't be able to skill as fast as you normally could

No, there are not ways around it. Alpha clones will not be able to use skills that current trial accounts cannot use. The mining barge skill is one of them. There is no amount of time that gets past this limitation.
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#18 - 2016-08-31 22:52:02 UTC
Ikshuki wrote:
I am now in a crossroad, after playing this amazing game i ever played for 9 years, i'm now wondering if i should unsub for good, this F2P system will destroy the playerbase and all initiative to keep subbed, the whole point of having plex is to play for free, why do we need a F2P model on top of an already existing F2P model, all one has to to do now to keep playing is to create 10 F2P accounts, get them in barges, buy up skill injectors using subbed accounts to counter the skilling slowdown, and farm isk to buy plex, this system will ultimately ruin eve as a whole, this really saddens me CCP, and this disappoints me

Ikshuki wrote:
Andrea Cemenotar wrote:
Ikshuki wrote:
all one has to to do now to keep playing is to create 10 F2P accounts, get them in barges,


[quote=Ikshuki]according to the devblog alpha clones will not have access to mining barges
oh trust me, there are ways around it, according to the video, you'll have access to all the basic things to do in eve, missions, mining, pvp, you just won't be able to skill as fast as you normally could

Did you bother reading the dev blog? The one where it lists all the skills that will be available to the Alpha accounts? The one that's explicitly showing that Barges aren't going to be available? That there's going to be a hard cap on the SP an Alpha can train (~5 mil for the allowed skills)? The fact that non-subbed accounts will have their effects reduced to the Alpha-level skills regardless of trained SP? The comments from devs specifically stating that you won't be able to use Extractors on an Alpha char, and that you won't be able to extract Alpha skills?

Literally everything you've used as an example is wrong. You cannot get any more wrong with your examples than you were.

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#19 - 2016-08-31 22:52:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Caco De'mon wrote:

Winning at WoT or LoL means winning millions of dollars...is that what you are saying or would you like to change your post? A toxic community is born because people are sick of listening to entitled whiners that thrown tantrums when CCP does something they don't like.

Sorry you can understand a basic sentence like that....I wont try again as I'm guessing dumbing it down more wont help.

Today is day one of the "transition" and your types are already out buying rope and looking for a nice tall trees to hang yourselves from....THAT is sobbing. Chicken Little hats aplenty today...

How about wait a few months AFTER it's been running before declaring it a total failure.


See, the amusing thing about this is that today isn't actually the first day of transition. It's the first day they made the plan public. I'm not going to deny that the game needs F2P or whatever. After all, login numbers are abysmal. However the F2P transition is often do or die for a MMO, so it's critical to do it right the first time. Thus, as a long time Eve player I feel it's my duty to point out obvious deficiencies in the plan.

See, there's no need to be a giant **** about things. :)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Caco De'mon
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#20 - 2016-08-31 22:55:40 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
See, there's no need to be a giant **** about things. :)



Play to your strengths....

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