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Captain Campion
Campion Corp.
#1 - 2016-08-29 14:54:09 UTC
Join eve, run missions, get ISK - great.

What they don't tell you is your faction standings are getting messed up.

Really frustrating, needs looking at IMO. Whether you make it clearer or just flat out remove it I leave to your judgement.

Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#2 - 2016-08-29 17:42:18 UTC
What is so hard to understand with negative faction standings? If you go negative, you suffer consequences. Those consequences are explained in detail in numerous guides and tips you can find on the internet, or people in your corp can explain them to you (like people did in my early days when I was about to go below -5 with one faction). The information is already there and readily available, you just need to open your eyes and use your brain.

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Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#3 - 2016-08-29 18:07:09 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
What is so hard to understand with negative faction standings? If you go negative, you suffer consequences. Those consequences are explained in detail in numerous guides and tips you can find on the internet, or people in your corp can explain them to you (like people did in my early days when I was about to go below -5 with one faction). The information is already there and readily available, you just need to open your eyes and use your brain.


I think there's an argument to be made for handing in enemy faction tags to get your standing back up, to at least something like -2.0.

I currently have -9.99 with gallente thanks to years of FW. While I personally wouldn't use this service I can see how someone in my position might like to get back to a stage where they aren't KOS with said empires navy.
Wimzy Chent-Shi
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-08-31 08:23:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Wimzy Chent-Shi
I agree that the loss is subtle and not every noob that "wastes away" his time flying missions understands the consequences.
A simple warning in mission intel like "standings with empire factions cam cause them to attack you in their sovereignity."
Noob then goes to google wtf does it mean and finally hopefully gets to understanding that at this negative standing he gets rekt. Unless he or she clicks official eve wiki which tells him to gtfo.

Come get some cancer @ my blog !

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#5 - 2016-08-31 14:34:21 UTC
Not needed as a simple does of common sense would solve the problems.
Just as a simple example.

You are flying missions for a Caldari affiliated agent and they offer you a mission to go forth and kill citizens of the Gallente Federation. Common sense and just a few applied brain cells should tell you that killing citizens of the Gallente Federation is not going to go over to well with the leaders of the Gallente Federation and that killing those citizens may have a negative impact on you and your ability to travel into the Gallente Federations Space.

But no one tells us this stuff, did you ask?
EvE tends to reward those who are proactive and look into and read about things BEFORE they experience them in game. Likewise it tends to punish and rather harshly at times those who want to figure it all out for themselves or expect the game to spoon feed them information like this.

I know this is all rather harsh and heat less but fear not I do have a little bit of compassion for one who has made a mistake and so I offer The Plan, a wonderful guide prepared by DMC and a mess of others, this plan will assist you with your standings issues and educate you on them along the way. As always a tip of the hat to DMC and the rest who put their time and effort into figuring out and then posting this guide.

To help you with your missions in general and in determining which ones are faction and should be avoided if you care about standings I offer EvE Survival a guide to missions and many other things in EvE.
Wimzy Chent-Shi
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-08-31 17:45:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Wimzy Chent-Shi
So...
Utter scrub kills 200 caldari ships and flies through the caldari space afterward.
No problem, since his standings are not low enough just yet. So he or she dares to connect the dots that shooting is np.
You see most people won't even notice npc interaction like these unless forced to either by sec status, standings or drugs.
Everything is fine until he kills one more ship in that one more mission which had a reasonable standings impact, and then finds out later could be weeks months years... While one can be -10 by then and possibly does not even now that standings under character pane even exist.
Ofc every standup guide will tell you that those missions are a no no. Could the game add a line of String? Probably will hurt few egos but even career agents can have relevant negative impact on opposing faction standings. I say give a fair warning.
Who is to trust 3rd party in EVE?

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#7 - 2016-08-31 17:59:09 UTC
It's greed blinding the mission runner. They accumulate countless hours checking their climbing standings with the faction they mission for. They focus in on it and ignore the standings going negative on pirate npc AND the opposite factions. You have an opportunity to see it every time you check your standing increase.

You aren't being penalized for not noticing the negative affects as they ever so slowly accumulate. You just aren't noticing. See the difference.

If only there was a 3rd party program you could use to search the vastness of the internet by simply typing 'Eve mission standings' in a box, so that all would become clear. If only I had the time (between hours of mission running) to to use that mythical search tool.



Eve is hard. Your alleged 'problem' doesn't even make the list of why Eve is hard.


PROTIP: create (or find on the internet) a mythical search tool, enter 'Eve faction standing repair', take a deep breath and then hit enter. Be prepared to be amazed by the wealth of know how that magically appears right before your eyes.
Wimzy Chent-Shi
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-08-31 21:05:32 UTC
No need to treat OP like a disabled person.
Years ago I was not even familiar with standings system existing.
I am thus advocating for a hint to improve NPE.
I know moaning over "player decisions" and consequences" never gets old. And you keep doing that.
I am just supporting that such a dicision could be a touch more informed.
With the introduction of citadel market part of standings usefulness got shat on terribly anyway so I don't understand much greed behind it.

Come get some cancer @ my blog !

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#9 - 2016-09-01 01:10:53 UTC
What sucks is there are no missions you can run without losing standing with someone. So if you run missions as a source of isk but don't want to be locked out of a factions space you have to up-sticks and move to run missions for the opposite faction.

That needs to change.

There should be factionless agents spread throughout space so you are not forced to play along with npc bull ****. Mission runners shouldn't be dependent on the empires.

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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#10 - 2016-09-01 01:33:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Sobaan Tali
Odd that there's no notification that warns the player they are close to pissing high sec Empires off when they are in fact close to pissing them off enough to make them an enemy of their territory. I don't even think you get a warning at their borders that you are about to enter turf with someone who might not like having you around. Personally, fixing that wouldn't really bother me or make me happy, but I can see the reasoning. Standings, for all it's worth, is awfully obscure at times and confusing most the time.

Also, SoE has positive standings with most, if not all, high sec Empires if I recall, so working for them will not net you negative derived for any HS holders.

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