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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#21 - 2016-08-31 14:53:31 UTC
Jack Haakaari wrote:
More than that, just the sheer number of nubbers flooding in, doing PI and stuff, without botting even, is gonna stress the market hard.


While I don't like this idea, they at least aren't allowing any PI skills on these new clones
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#22 - 2016-08-31 14:54:16 UTC
MidnightWyvern wrote:
I honestly can't find anything wrong with this. If ganking is a problem, they already said they'll restrict Safety settings so Alphas can't aggress in high-sec. If the same person keeps running bots, CCP can ban all those Alphas and then ban the Main of the person doing it.

This is yet another huge change to EVE Online that everyone is freaking the **** out about that will eventually just become part of our day-to-day lives in-game and have negligible detrimental effect.

I mean, there's still going to be a threadnaught, but hopefully people will eventually chill out and think reasonably about this.


There are plenty of potential problems. Like proliferating drone ratting alts (assigning drones to a trigger ship) Free Venture mining fleets depressing prices for miners who actually pay for the game. Multiboxing FoF missile Caracal fleets trashing FW lvl 4 missions and killing anything that comes on grid in a wave of auto target fire.

On and On.

CCP and some of yall ain't thinking this one through all the way yet. That's a big problem, lots of CCP guys are PVPrs and don't tend to think in terms of Shekel gathering like many players do.
Felo Maxun
Felmax Trade Inc
#23 - 2016-08-31 14:55:07 UTC
Couldn't be more excited. This will help eve become more relevant in the current climate, plus more people to shoot.
Solecist Project
#24 - 2016-08-31 14:56:44 UTC

Now I understand why the golden rules have been posted ...

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#25 - 2016-08-31 14:56:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Looks like its time for Doc to follow Tippia and Mr. Garibaldi beyond the Rim. 2016 has been a helluva year for losing people, making bad decisions, and unintended consequences. The EA rot has become terminal.

Especially comical are the following:

CCP wrote:

We have not decided...
We don’t think clone states will have much impact...
We don’t expect a significant increase in this kind of activity..
We’ve deliberately tried to limit this behavior..


Doc's personal favorite:
CCP wrote:

We are creating and implementing concrete plans to make sure we can provide the same level of support for all of our players


CCP, you can barely provide acceptable levels of customer support now. The kinds of players you are trying to attract won't put up with what you consider adequate, and they won't accept your usual platitudes.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Roenok Baalnorn
Baalnorn Heavy Industries
#26 - 2016-08-31 14:59:53 UTC
Jack Haakaari wrote:
It's gonna end up as people getting 200 alt accounts to go out and bot mine in ventures.

If they get banned, they can now just make more accounts free.


Can only use your faction ships, so unless ORE became a race lately, cant use a venture. They would have to use regular frigates and cruisers with no hold. So botting will be quite difficult.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2016-08-31 15:01:40 UTC
I agree with Doc. Free to play is a cancer on gaming, I don't care what form it's in. Subscriptions are cheap, 50c a day. If that's a barrier for entry, then you've got bigger problems than online gaming. But it's not a barrier to entry, what it is is a filter. Jita's about to fill up with a whole lot more throw-away gold spamming accounts, I can guarantee it.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Varcutii Renalard
#28 - 2016-08-31 15:02:08 UTC
CCP, when will you be removing attributes?
Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#29 - 2016-08-31 15:02:40 UTC
It won't have any impact on me unless they allow the Alpha clones to multi-box, then I'll get one alpha clone set to do lower end combat/support/logistics while I do other stuff with my main. I'll pay for one account, not two. So I see a type of parity there, but they should probably limit a particular IP address to just 1 Alpha account on at a time or proliferation will go nuts.

My other comment is they have the clone name backwards according to 'pack' structure. The Alpha 'pack' member is the leader and respected one. Omegas are the bottom of the barrel disposable ones. I realize they are doing this because 'Alpha' is first, and thus lowest common denominator, but since the pack concept directly opposes that from the perception they are giving, it's probably a bad naming scheme. They should do it simply with "Basic Clone" and "Advanced Clone".

Otherwise, this has been expected for a long, long time now.

8 Golden Rules of EVE • EVE is entirely PvP
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#30 - 2016-08-31 15:08:38 UTC
Ok, that just happened...

Evil RatKid
Roenok Baalnorn
Baalnorn Heavy Industries
#31 - 2016-08-31 15:11:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Roenok Baalnorn
Felo Maxun wrote:
Couldn't be more excited. This will help eve become more relevant in the current climate, plus more people to shoot.


Yeah just think... the new null warfare in eve is going to be 1000 man t1 gangs all with 5 mil SP. 600 caracals, 150 merlins, 150 Osprey, 90 griffens, then the omega pilots, 8 boosters, 1 FC, 1 Backup FC. Each omega will be watchlisted pre locked with 5 RR on them at all times at least regardless of if they are getting shot or not. Oh yeah and full time 10% TIDI just for fun.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#32 - 2016-08-31 15:13:34 UTC
I am sure we are all glad they can use destroyers. *claps slowly*

Evil RatKid
Maekchu
Doomheim
#33 - 2016-08-31 15:17:28 UTC
If they can make it, so you can't multibox using Alpha's this isn't too bad.

Otherwise, this is abusable as ****. Eve is dead?
Alessienne Ellecon
Doomheim
#34 - 2016-08-31 15:21:45 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Subscriptions are cheap, 50c a day. If that's a barrier for entry, then you've got bigger problems than online gaming. But it's not a barrier to entry, what it is is a filter. Jita's about to fill up with a whole lot more throw-away gold spamming accounts, I can guarantee it.


Spoken like someone who doesn't know what it's like to struggle to pay for stuff you want.

My 2 ISK: this will be good for people in poorer countries who can't regularly afford subscription fees, since they can farm missions and rats and such and plex their accounts.

You'd be a fool to think this isn't going to make the market price of plex skyrocket, though.


Freemium is not going to kill EVE, you idiots, so STFU and stop screeching like monkeys. All that's needed is to iron out the bugs and monitor for abuse.

"CONCORD are the space cops. If you attack someone in a high-security solar system, CONCORD will commit police brutality." - Encyclopedia Dramatica

If EVE is a PvP game, then Anti-Ganking is emergent gameplay.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2016-08-31 15:22:33 UTC
Maekchu wrote:
Eve is dead?


I almost can't believe I'm saying it, but yes, EVE is dead. It was gonna happen eventually, and it had a good run, but this is all she wrote, folks.

The good news is, when this is actually implemented, I'll still be able to log in to biomass all my toons without having to pay a month's sub for it.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Rapala Armiron
Arton Yachting and Angling Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#36 - 2016-08-31 15:23:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Rapala Armiron
Sigh. Free to play is the death knell for games. Basically means the Dev's have given up. They forgot what drove eve in the first place, chased after the casuals by making eve a softer friendlier place who they couldn't enthrall in any event, and now they have doubled down on that quest by going all free to play. They are certainly going to get a short term boost which they will crow about, but like what usually happens in these situations, those causal players are not going to pay and this is going to rebound for the worst.

I guess I should look to see how i turn off my subscriptions. 6 years or so. It couldnt last forever, but it is still sad to be here at the end.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2016-08-31 15:25:51 UTC
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Subscriptions are cheap, 50c a day. If that's a barrier for entry, then you've got bigger problems than online gaming. But it's not a barrier to entry, what it is is a filter. Jita's about to fill up with a whole lot more throw-away gold spamming accounts, I can guarantee it.


Spoken like someone who doesn't know what it's like to struggle to pay for stuff you want.

My 2 ISK: this will be good for people in poorer countries who can't regularly afford subscription fees, since they can farm missions and rats and such and plex their accounts.

You'd be a fool to think this isn't going to make the market price of plex skyrocket, though.


Freemium is not going to kill EVE, you idiots, so STFU and stop screeching like monkeys. All that's needed is to iron out the bugs and monitor for abuse.


Don't make assumptions about me, please. That would be silly. I actually spent almost a year homeless, thank you very much, so I know exactly what it's like to struggle, and if you're struggling, gaming ain't exactly at the top of your list of priorities. And if it is, then your list of priorities is **** and you need to reconsider what you're doing with your life.

Freemium won't kill EVE, no. That's because it's already dead, which is why it's going free. If it wasn't for some of the **** decisions that have been made the past couple of years that have seen so many people leave, there wouldn't be a need to attract new players with this last-ditch effort to keep the lights on.

The problem has never been that the game wasn't attracting new players. The problem has been retention.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#38 - 2016-08-31 15:25:59 UTC
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
Spoken like someone who doesn't know what it's like to struggle to pay for stuff you want.

My 2 ISK: this will be good for people in poorer countries who can't regularly afford subscription fees, since they can farm missions and rats and such and plex their accounts.

You'd be a fool to think this isn't going to make the market price of plex skyrocket, though.

Freemium is not going to kill EVE, you idiots, so STFU and stop screeching like monkeys. All that's needed is to iron out the bugs and monitor for abuse.


I don't mean to come across like an *******, so I apologize if I do.

This is a video game, it's a luxury, not a necessity. If you can't afford $12/mo for a luxury you need to spend less time playing video games and more time working on getting a better job.
Lasisha Mishi
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#39 - 2016-08-31 15:26:55 UTC
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/introducing-clone-states-and-the-future-of-access-to-eve-online/

Thoughts?


looking at it

it looks like a more limited trial, but without the time limit

they can't train battlecruiser like they could in the trial. but are limited to frigates, destroyers, and cruisers


what i'm concerned about is tech 1 or tech 2.
if they limited to tech 1, fair enough.

if they allowed tech 2......oh god the stealth bomber spam plz no nononononoononono.





overall its more appealing to myself personally (if i was just joining the game now) because no time limit so i can hop on whenever in a venture or rifter. or kestrel

and no time limit means they have all the time they need to earn enough isk to buy plex.




but considering i'm in love with stealth bombers, confessors, Hurricanes, and rokhs. i'm going to continue to subscribe. cause i can't play without my hurricane
CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
#40 - 2016-08-31 15:27:59 UTC
As much as we love the discussion on this announcement that is going on, we do already have a thread for this topic in the EVE Information Portal (like we do for every dev blog). You can find it here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=491738

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