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Armor Machariel
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CaptCommando
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-08-30 18:43:00 UTC
Opinions? May replace few other mods with factions but this is general design. Trying to improve apon it. Keep in mind im trying to do a Armor Mach so any comments about how its not shield will be ignored.



[Machariel, Unnamed loadout]
1600mm Steel Plates II
Large Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Energized Kinetic Membrane II
Energized Thermal Membrane II
Imperial Navy Energized Explosive Membrane
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Gyrostabilizer II

Caldari Navy Stasis Webifier
500MN Microwarpdrive II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script

800mm Repeating Cannon II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Barrage L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Barrage L
Heavy Energy Nosferatu II

Large Nanobot Accelerator II
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Anti-Explosive Pump I


Warrior II x5
Gecko x2
Reinhardt Kreiss
TetraVaal Tactical Group
#2 - 2016-08-30 18:47:35 UTC
This is the wrong forum section. Regardless of that, you haven't stated a use. PVE, PVP, scenario?
CaptCommando
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2016-08-30 19:13:23 UTC
My Apologies. PVE with the possibility that could get jumped but mainly PVE.
Reinhardt Kreiss
TetraVaal Tactical Group
#4 - 2016-08-30 19:32:15 UTC
The fit is horrible. For some reason you're using an omni tank with passive resists, a plate that makes no sense and weird rigs, with just 1 gyro.
CaptCommando
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2016-08-30 19:36:32 UTC
i shall be more specific. WH PvE
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#6 - 2016-08-30 19:44:17 UTC
CaptCommando wrote:
i shall be more specific. WH PvE


You are in a wormhole group, did you ask any of them 1st?

And since you are talking wormhole PVE, this is what you should be posting: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=2934
Ginger Naari
Doomheim
#7 - 2016-08-30 19:45:18 UTC
Reinhardt Kreiss wrote:
The fit is horrible. For some reason you're using an omni tank with passive resists, a plate that makes no sense and weird rigs, with just 1 gyro.



Why not just help the guy instead of just giving him a kicking?
CaptCommando
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2016-08-30 19:46:28 UTC
Yes i am. yes i have and no they dont PVE they just pvp Im the "black Sheep" apparently as i do the PVE aspect as well as pvp.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#9 - 2016-08-30 19:53:14 UTC
Go on SiSi and try your fit in a wormhole there (I'm guessing class 3 and below? No way that does a class 4). Not many people us machs in WHs, Rattlesnakes on the other hand...
CaptCommando
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2016-08-30 19:55:33 UTC
ya rattlers are very good and yes C3 and C2. Just dont wanna fly a rattler.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#11 - 2016-08-30 19:56:03 UTC
Why a Mach for WH PvE, out of curiosity?

Also, what class of WH, and what effects, if any?
CaptCommando
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2016-08-30 20:01:37 UTC
C2, No effects. Because why not never flown it have the skills just want to?
Ginger Naari
Doomheim
#13 - 2016-08-30 20:13:34 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
CaptCommando wrote:
i shall be more specific. WH PvE


You are in a wormhole group, did you ask any of them 1st?

And since you are talking wormhole PVE, this is what you should be posting: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=2934



Look at post 7.
oiukhp Muvila
Doomheim
#14 - 2016-08-30 20:16:02 UTC
Ginger Naari wrote:
Reinhardt Kreiss wrote:
The fit is horrible. For some reason you're using an omni tank with passive resists, a plate that makes no sense and weird rigs, with just 1 gyro.



Why not just help the guy instead of just giving him a kicking?



That is not the way these forums work. Many assume all new characters are alts of existing players and they should know better than to post in the wrong area of the forums.

There is no such thing as an actual new player in this game who might not actually remember all the forum rules.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2016-08-30 20:18:49 UTC
CaptCommando wrote:
C2, No effects. Because why not never flown it have the skills just want to?


Ok, I know you're going for an armor fit, but I have to say this - you're gimping the ship severely trying to fit it that way. You've literally cut your potential DPS in half fitting it that way, and hurt the tank by at least 100 DPS. No to mention you're slashing the range, even with barrage by 10-12 k depending on your skills.

So my first question, even before I ask you what you plan to do with it why do you feel it necessary to armor fit a Machariel?

If the answer is "Because I want to," then that's fine, carry on my good man. My only suggestion would be to drop the MWD and put on an AB - you'll be more cap stable so you can pretty much perma run it, and that will help mitigate incoming damage due to missed shots.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
CaptCommando
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2016-08-30 20:19:32 UTC
oiukhp Muvila wrote:
Ginger Naari wrote:
Reinhardt Kreiss wrote:
The fit is horrible. For some reason you're using an omni tank with passive resists, a plate that makes no sense and weird rigs, with just 1 gyro.



Why not just help the guy instead of just giving him a kicking?



That is not the way these forums work. Many assume all new characters are alts of existing players and they should know better than to post in the wrong area of the forums.

There is no such thing as an actual new player in this game who might not actually remember all the forum rules.



OK so how bout linking where it is supposed to go? Also my last post was at least 2 years ago i believe and other then this ive only made 3/comment on 3 other posts in my time playing eve since 2010. not a big blogger etc so i dont memorize rules or know the forums like is second nature.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2016-08-30 20:22:28 UTC
CaptCommando wrote:
oiukhp Muvila wrote:
Ginger Naari wrote:
Reinhardt Kreiss wrote:
The fit is horrible. For some reason you're using an omni tank with passive resists, a plate that makes no sense and weird rigs, with just 1 gyro.



Why not just help the guy instead of just giving him a kicking?



That is not the way these forums work. Many assume all new characters are alts of existing players and they should know better than to post in the wrong area of the forums.

There is no such thing as an actual new player in this game who might not actually remember all the forum rules.



OK so how bout linking where it is supposed to go? Also my last post was at least 2 years ago i believe and other then this ive only made 3/comment on 3 other posts in my time playing eve since 2010. not a big blogger etc so i dont memorize rules or know the forums like is second nature.


Given that you're talking about a ship, could go in Ships and Modules. Or, since you're discussing Wormholes, it could go in Wormholes.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
CaptCommando
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2016-08-30 20:23:18 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
CaptCommando wrote:
C2, No effects. Because why not never flown it have the skills just want to?


Ok, I know you're going for an armor fit, but I have to say this - you're gimping the ship severely trying to fit it that way. You've literally cut your potential DPS in half fitting it that way, and hurt the tank by at least 100 DPS. No to mention you're slashing the range, even with barrage by 10-12 k depending on your skills.

So my first question, even before I ask you what you plan to do with it why do you feel it necessary to armor fit a Machariel?

If the answer is "Because I want to," then that's fine, carry on my good man. My only suggestion would be to drop the MWD and put on an AB - you'll be more cap stable so you can pretty much perma run it, and that will help mitigate incoming damage due to missed shots.


Has more low slots figured i could go armor to use the mid for other rolls and because it seems everyone uses shield so i want to try armor version.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2016-08-30 20:26:59 UTC
CaptCommando wrote:
Elenahina wrote:
CaptCommando wrote:
C2, No effects. Because why not never flown it have the skills just want to?


Ok, I know you're going for an armor fit, but I have to say this - you're gimping the ship severely trying to fit it that way. You've literally cut your potential DPS in half fitting it that way, and hurt the tank by at least 100 DPS. No to mention you're slashing the range, even with barrage by 10-12 k depending on your skills.

So my first question, even before I ask you what you plan to do with it why do you feel it necessary to armor fit a Machariel?

If the answer is "Because I want to," then that's fine, carry on my good man. My only suggestion would be to drop the MWD and put on an AB - you'll be more cap stable so you can pretty much perma run it, and that will help mitigate incoming damage due to missed shots.


Has more low slots figured i could go armor to use the mid for other rolls and because it seems everyone uses shield so i want to try armor version.


Like I said, You go ahead with your bad self. Only change I would make to that version is swapping in an AB. You don't get the sig bloom, and you can use it longer so you get more avoidance.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2016-08-30 20:32:20 UTC
Hi, there's a guide to mission blitzing out there, based on an armor-tanked Machariel. Here's the link to the page:

Armor Machariel

Appendix item A1.

The writer has mission-blitzing L4s in mind, but I'm sure you could adapt it to suit your use...

Good luck!

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